Cheaters still ruining your game
Wow...just wow. 3 times in one match grenades are appearing at my feet and behind walls. so much fun. your game is being ruined by cheaters and aim bots but hey lets get that new event out. your...
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"About not seeing hackers... well man either you are semi-blind or you tolerate no-recoil as not a hack. "
Hehe I've heard this argument since the PUBG days, basically "you are just too bad to recognize a hacker when you see one" =) I dont think I can change or even affect your experience but all I can say is that this is my honest experience from playing on EU. I dont shy away from criticizing this game but when it comes to the cheating problem, I just dont share this opinion and I am truly sorry for your experience because it must pretty much ruin the game if you feel that many of your losses happen due to cheaters?
Whenever I get beamed or HSed on long range or whatever, I ask myself this very simple question: "Could I have, perhaps with some luck, done the same thing in this same situation?". And in 99.9% cases, the answer to this question is: yes. Because when I just look at it objectively, I 200-to-zero people left and right, especially in pubs or <Diamond ranked. I land crazy long rang wingman headshots with 1x cog, partly because I have practiced with it and have a good feeling for the bullet drop, but ofc also partly because of luck/randomness.
People talk about no recoil scripts, which I dont deny exist, but I just think people see no recoil script every time they get beamed by a good player. Truth is that within 1-20 meter where most knocks happens, the horizontal deviation from recoils with most autoweapons is so small that it wont affect the spray too much anyways. As long as you control the vertical recoil, you will dash out a good amount of dmg as long as you have a decent trace aim. And then we have the master/pred skilled players who actually spent hours and hours of practicing also the horizontal recoil patterns so OFC they will beam you, especially if you arent even close to master/pred level yourself. But if someone would do 150-200 dmg w one clip on very long range, like 50+ m, then I would be suspicious but that never happens to me!.. Sure, 50-100 dmg sometimes but again; can I do 100 dmg on 50 + w a R301 sometimes? And the answer is yes.
Just an example video from a game this morning where I do 150-200 dmg in one clip on three opponents in a row and would probably have done the same on the fourth if I have had more than 50 HP when I started to shoot. And I am NOT saying this was a out of the ordinary well played played situation, its just a very standard fight in pubs.
Or an older video of one clips from the S1 Kings canyon LTM..
Here is an example of R-99 no recoil in my opinion - played with this dude yesterday, he had 0 teamwork, poor game awareness yet sure he did deal 2200 damage with 4-5 kills while I had like 1500 with 2+1 or something in P4 lobby (currently full of ex-diamonds).
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1162507212
And when I died and spectated him, sure no recoil was super obvious. I confronted him about the fact, dude clearly was not ready to answer my accusations, studdered some random arguments, eventually just said "yeah ok whatever".
In the end, dude pushed multiple enemies and died like a public newb cursing on me not teamworking even though I was the one left by him and another dude without cover fire while being pushed by a team of 3 over an open ground.
Hard to tell from this stream since he was lagging so much it dropped every 3 frames or so but sure, the little I saw he had very good control with the R99 for sure so I wouldn't bet money that he didnt have no recoil but not that he had it either . Because Ive watched a friend who has been Pred every season when he plays live, sitting next to him, and he constantly dishes out 60-100 dmg also with R99 on 30-50 meters. And I guess that was my point with my clips. Since you would question some of my sprays when I am not even close to be a Predator player, then I think people should at least accept the possibility that some players just are very, very good at this game. I can honestly think its a bit sad when I see people on this forum who barely can make it through Platinum through kill points and maybe managed to hide their way to Diamond hardstuck 7200 RP after a long grind and think they see no recoil scripts everywhere... They are not in a very good position to tell because they are so far below the top percentile of players.But like I said in the beginning; I dont think any of us can change the others view on the subject of cheaters because in the end, it comes down to our subjective experience and I am just very happy that I personally rarely feel that fishy or dirty stuff going on. Thats my experience of playing this game on EU and if people feel that every lobby is full of cheaters and that I am too blind/stupid/bad to detect that, than its actually fine by me, because its not my loss=) If some of those I play against use no recoil scripts, I think its pathetic that they cant play by the rules but as long as people dont beam me from 70+ m with an R99, I dont really care. And like I said earlier; that pretty much never happens to me.
And btw, I actually spend a couple of seasons, maining the Flatline so I am quite proficient with that recoil pattern. Maybe I will upload some videos where I beam people with that too =)
@Balladalidilalooking forward to your clips with a flatline and the secret sauce behind your friend and how he reached predator level unless that boils down to a combination of:
- using controller
- using set party on constant basis
- daily grind
- exploit of the fact that some server, times during the day are less competitive
- I would assume he would tell if he would have used hacks 🙂 yet for the sake of argument will mention it here
Regarding Diamond = 7200 RP situation I am on the quest (maybe my last in Apex) to see if this gap between 7200 and 10000 can be closed with a simple addition of a set team of 3 and regular play.
I was grinding through Platinum lobbies in season 8 (my first in ranked), I did reach Diamond 4 super easy after teaming up with just one person whom we played with 6-8h a day, yet with the same person, we failed to do well in Diamond lobbies vs hither Diamond players, Masters, Predators, and other hackers.
So the only question for me at the moment - does it take 3 people to get to Masters or do you actually need software assistance after all.
Because on the one side we all lose a lot of points while playing with randoms - while adjusting to eachother, and this process repeats due to the fact that many players are not ready to adjust, look for teamwork, they want instant results, which in turn forces people to switch a lot and actually make them hardstuck as they are constantly losing points playing with people they don't know well.
On the other hand, those crazy kills are basically my daily experience when reaching Diamond lobbies later in splits...and you do lose quite many points because of being "lucky" to run into yet another sub 100 or even sub 50 level pro.
Time will tell, I will definitely post on forums my findings.- @Balladalidila p.s. share the link/name of the Predator, so we can all subscribe and watch, learn from him 🙂
I think you misunderstood my point since you focus so much on the Diamond situation. I dont "shame" or look down on people who is stuck at Diamond4.. or Plat or Gold for that matter. What I mean was that its ridiculous and actually a bit narcissistic to think that most people better than you are better because they cheat. If you are hardstuck Diamond 4 player, you are a very good casual Apex player for sure but all I am saying is that there actually are alot of players that are MUCH MUCH better in every way.
But once again; its not really my loss if many players want to see cheaters and no-recoil scripters everywhere. Like you said it yourself; you thought that I had fishy recoil control so I guess some people might think I am a no recoil user, which I am not ofc, and that just proves my point. I personally just dont feel "cheated" very often when I play pubs or <Diamond ranked. But when I grinded through Diamond, I was outplayed many times and really had to rely on strategy and teamwork to gain RPs. But back to my argument: I have NO reason to believe that the main reason I was outplayed In Diamond3+ was because everyone cheated; that would be narcissistic and unfounded of me. It was usually because my opponents skill were equal or higher than mine.
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