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4 years ago

Cheaters still ruining your game

Wow...just wow. 3 times in one match grenades are appearing at my feet and behind walls. so much fun. your game is being ruined by cheaters and aim bots but hey lets get that new event out. your...

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Eshshshss

Seasoned Ace

4 years ago

@Balladalidila sorry but pubs for me ... a) I (almost) don't play them - maybe <10 games in a week at most b) they just don't count, in pubs more often than not I get downed by some current/ex Diamond/Master or me running into 1vs3 brainlessly which both is an acceptable outcome.

Diamond lobbies, that's the thing I am talking about and where I see his huge influx of in my opinion hackers.

I will maybe bother to record my games from there to emphasize what I mean, need to google though how to smear the sides of the videos not to get 7 day ban yet again.

Balladalidila

Seasoned Ace

4 years ago

@Eshshshss

But if you dont play pubs because you dont like to run into and die to the few 10-15 ex diamonds/masters in the lobby, then how can you say that there is an influx of hackers in Diamond lobbies since ALL of them are MINIMUM diamonds, but also many exmasters/expreds/current masters and preds? Sorry but this entire argument just doesnt make sense.. Once again; at Diamond I also agree that people are usually equally good or better than me, but to draw the conclusion that the reason for this is that many of them must be hacking is so strange. To say this, its like saying "I am at the peak skill of what a human being can reach; everyone who is better is probably cheating......" At diamond, you play against the top percentile of the players and in a situation where you would survive in pubs, due to the average lower skill level, you will now lose. Why? Because everyone in the Diamond lobby can dish out 100-200 dmg per mag instead of just one such player per squad on average in pubs.

I dont know how your way through Platinum looked like but this ranked system is actually quite badly designed. It is possible for a player of "gold fighting skills" to advance to through Platinum from just hiding and grinding because of the RP gain through placement in relation to the RP entry cost which still is quite low in Platinum. I honestly think your issue is that the average skill of the lobby takes a huge leap from Platinum1 to Diamond 4 which ofc requires a huge leap of your own skill to keep advancing once you get to D4.

Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Balladalidila please reread my comment 🙂 especially the part " ...an acceptable outcome..." 🙂

My point remains:
- public games = I don't play, I don't count as most people there are playing brainlessly, completing challenges, getting badges or just "having fun", even higher ranked players
- ranked games up till D4 = mostly ok, more often than not you just run into some random full on aimbotter e.g. yesterday I played like 15-20 games and run into just 1 squad which though were clearly hacking (one of those <50 level wonder kids with soft aimbot on, actually almost won them, messed up our team's comms a bit).
- ranked games Diamond 4+ = now this is where I would bet my money on the fact "most people hack", no matter the fact that it is top percentile.

I see the situation in Diamond 4 as similar to what is happening in sports: you train your all life, read books, try out various approaches, follow the latest info, and whatnot. Say you get to a result where you can run 100m in ~ 12 seconds or squat 150 kg which is way above "average" somewhat fit individual.
And here comes a dude who clearly displays a lack of knowledge, all he is preaching is "eat sleep work repeat / no pain no gain" type of bullcrap (similar to what "pro streamers" in Apex do) and he just rushes 100m in 10 seconds which is national result level yet he has not competed even as an amateur or squats 200+kg without even breaking a sweat after say 2-4 year "training"...

The fact that there are people which you see in say NBA, Olympics, top tier competitions and who are considered top 1% or even less does not mean that they do not "hack", they do, we see that over time when cases pop-up. And why would Apex community be any different?

Do all hack at D4+ level - lower level "pros" might actually not, they might just have it all = no recoil like yours (still not 100% sold that is possible), set team 24/7, perfect teamwork, excellent game awareness, regularl daily playtime over 4h, etc. which does bring them to Masters or even Predator level.
Do most of them hack - in my opinion, yes.

The most recent example - I checked the stream of #39 Predator on Twitch who recently killed me in Diamond lobby:
1) he advertises account boosting for money in his profile!
2) his streams constantly contain footage of him exploiting the game's loopholes e.g. dropping granade from inventory while opening weapon crate or switching between his #39 pred account when he has players to play with or going back to his platinum smurf when he plays with randoms
3) as said before he has limited game awareness, usually guided by another dude and also criticized about the fact from this dude's side
4) no recoil is there 100% of a time, even though he mainly plays 301, you can still see it
5) most of his fights go like "hey guys let's go kill someone, a few min later he always finds a squad and wipes them 9 times out of 10" - coincidence? Don't think so.