Control LTM Feedback Megathread

@Palette24carats Some of the matches, 70% of the enemy team are below level 60, those are smurphs, considering they're also ratings leaders and such.

"Smurfing doesn't make sense" then why are there level 12's and such playing this mode like preds? Also don't pull the whole "they came from COD", while aiming is similar, COD is much, much different. These "COD" players are destroying us like we have the HP pool of COD. Apex players have more HP, there for, its just a bunch of smurphs and cheaters ruining the gamemode.

Also COD is notorious for its cheating, so by saying "they came from COD", its like saying "they brought their cheats over". A lot of Warzone players stopped playing Warzone, because cheaters wouldn't stop cheating.

I've also said "Control is 100% overrun by every cheater AND smurph ever", I didn't say most of the teams are smurphs.

The zone lock out (when one team controls all 3 zones), needs to be removed. Cheaters just take theirs, B's, and then bully you at your spawn point.

You make false assumptions while the facts are here that there was an influx of new players for the new mode.

Then you make the false assumption that Cod players who master mouse aim and pre aim for quick kills in any Fps game cant beat you because you know better how to use your apex tactical and how to slide?! They know how to strafe too and how to quickly kill.

@Palette24caratsI was talking about any mode in general, I have seen smurfs in control too though

People don’t always smurf for badges, some smurf so they are not thrown into Master/Pred Lobbies or so they can play with their friends who are lower skilled than them...

The reason Midnight sees more hackers/smurfs is because Midnight is more skilled than me so I mainly just see the ones Apex hasn’t picked up on yet... like rn Im spectating a level 84 that has 5171 damage and 11 kills as a solo in trios but he just died... he wasn’t cheating but he was definitely smurfing or is a ‘’pro player’’ from Fortnite, Warzone, etc or recently switched to PC from Console

@TheApexLegendNubYeah, exactly. I just had 3 matches where there were 4 low levels across them, and they were levels 11, 13, 14, and 17. They were snapping to anyone on my team, and weren't missing shots long range with guns like the car. They had perfect aim and control over recoil, and somehow knew where I spawned, even when there was walls between us.

The last match had 2 of these low levels (11/17), and a ton of master players who played like bots, but had god aim, and were levels 200-500, I'm guessing they're hacked accounts, but not 100% sure on that. All 3 zones got taken from us, and the hackers/smurphs just spawn killed us, and zone locked us.

Control needs 1 zone and it needs the lockout to go away. Its a stupid mechanic and right now it highly encourages cheating and spawn camping. The hillside on Olympus, and Bio on Stormpoint also encourages sniping players at their spawn, or anywhere near the points. So when you do get cheaters, its IMPOSSIBLE to win.

Control also needs an arena style protection zone where you CANNOT hurt players who spawn, and it highlights you if you try camping or spawn killing, making incoming damage deal more, so you cannot just sit there and prevent the enemy team from being able to actually play and enjoy the game. When teams spawn kill and blantly use cheats, I'm seeing players leave the match on either side.

I tried looking up these smurphs, but they're all using Steam names. My guess is to make it impossible to search up their stats and to make reporting them harder.

Image taken within the first few minutes of the match, so not enough time to fully see anything special on their kills.



I don't remember who was smurphing in this match, but I do remember that the Caustic, Crypto, Maggie, Lifeline, and Octane all seemed to have either wall hacks, aimbot, anti-recoil, or the combination of those cheats. They were not missing any shots, and the Caustic and Lifeline were the ones mainly going ham. The others would snap to targets but purposly take longer to kill you to act innocent, or maybe they were pros. I don't know. Their badges and stats screamed "casual gamer".

I'm also not saying they're cheating due to the number of kills they got, I've watched the ones I suspect of cheating fight my teammates, and anyone that crossed their path were one hits to them. I walked into a building, and in what felt like one bullet, my armor and health was instantly zapped by the Caustic and Lifeline. Sounds suggested that they barely fired as well, although sound is broken. My team had to basically 9v1 each of these players just to kill them.

@Midnight9746The lock out is absolutely necessary it cant go away. The reason you are locked out in the spawning zone is because the other team is way more skilled at killing your teammates when that happens it is not because the mechanic of zones is broken it is because the other team owns you simply so you dont want that game to last 20 minutes anyway players are already leaving in the losing team because it is not fun being shamed in the spawning zone. Enemy team cannot spawn at the base closest to you which is a way to facilitate you taking it back by sending them far to respawn if you cant do that then too bad it is better the game ends early. This happens no more than 1 out of 10 games for me.

Rd

Respawn did a great job on this mode only one thing is broken: the possibility to go into the respawning zone and kill respawns at the very second they spawn.

@Midnight9746Wrong I dont ruin the game for anybody and I dont support spawn killing. If we're in a lock out I still have fun playing and up my game so I can manage to do a few kill and sometimes we cancel the lockout and even win the game because it forces us to play more together as a team.

Seems like anything can ruin the game for you you must be a very bad loser that keeps complaining which make you not fun to play with.

@Palette24caratsAren't you on console, and get upset whenever someone wants aim assist to get removed for you?

The only things "ruining" the game for me, are smurphs, cheaters, server issues, audio, and crashing issues.

1) Smurphing is not being handled and it messes with matchmaking
2) Cheaters are rampant
3) We all know the servers are not the best
4) Audio doesn't like exisiting when its most needed
5) Several people are having issues on Olympus, which is the map currently crashing me a lot, and its mainly near the Phase Runner.

Considering how toxic you're getting, and more defensive you're becoming, only proves my point about players like you ruining the game.

We're at the threashhold, where the thread should just be locked or something. There's no point in trying to communicate anything about control, when there's one person who thinks the problems with it aren't a problem but a feature. I feel like I'm talking to Bethesda.

@EA_Mako I feel like we've ventured too far off course.

@Midnight9746The lockout is pretty annoying, I understand the one for the enemy team’s base but for the middle one is pretty frustrating especially when they are just camping on top of B shredding or sniping you before you get anywhere near the place... its near impossible to get to B on characters like Wattson unless your teammates placed Jump pads strategically

I also want a safe zone because that masters wraith and diamond mirage kept spawn killing me the other day... I love control but its little things like this that ruin the mode I wish they would put an out of bounds timer on the top of B in Barometer because its fine to fight or defend the bottom and inside at the top of B but having people camp and snipe around the edges the whole game just ruins it when you take 1 step out of A or C and cannot safely get anywhere... for the players who don’t understand it just means you are fortunate enough to not be skilled enough to be thrown into these sweat fest lobbies yet full of nothing but smurfs, pros, and occasionally cheaters but idk I’m not any of the above XD unless you count aim assist

@Midnight9746I’m just getting tired of being bocek bow spammed this point, you just hear it and its near impossible to tell which direction its coming from... then I keep getting 4k 20 bomb players with thousands of kills in my matches completely ruining it... The best I have ever done is 2300 damage in BR so I should be matched against players who have done like 3k badges or less imo not 4k+ damage players

the problem isn’t necessarily the bocek bow, charge rifle, triple take, etc... the problem is how far apart A, B, and C are.... once the enemy takes over B all they have to do is start defending from a distance with a marksman or sniper and you are unable to get anywhere near B... its even difficult with a trident sometimes, this mode promotes spawn camping more than anything else... they need to add more ways to get to B or make the spawn points closer together or something the map is just too large and it’s difficult to travel on non movement based legends while being bocek bow spammed, charge rifle beamed, etc when you haven’t even left A or C yet... its even worse the closer you get to B and once you die you have to start all over and then they wonder why everyone leaves early... I’ve left 2 games in a row because I was bocek bow spawn killed nonstop I’m glad it’s finally out of weapon rotation and the game is playable again... (playable except for the fact that the enemy team had 4 players camping our spawn area because it was a 5 v 9... and they had A, B, and C captured)

when I imagined this mode in my head I thought we would be skydiving into the map like we do on Shadowfall or Team Rumble on Fortnite, I’m not a fan of the current spawn system because its too easy to spawn camp so I think they need to take your other suggestion and to make B the only point and then add a safe zone around A and C and only remove the safe zone during bonus rounds... then again idk because it wouldn’t stop them from being on top of B at barometer and stopping you with marksman/snipers unless they added an out of bounds timer up there...

"Why would smurphs bother to play this mode?"

I dunno... you tell me....

I recommend looking at the image below in a new tab or zoom in. These are clearly new accounts and they made up majority of the enemy team that dominated us. Would show that match in video form, but its difficult without "naming and shaming".

Scoreboard's image was taken when I saw the first 2 smurphs, so its not the final or near final score, but the smurphs were racking up 8-14 kills.

This is me trying to show that we did, in fact, lost that match:

@CrazieAtesPS4Think they meant that you can spawn camp the enemy team. Which is very annoying.

I'm also going to add that point A and B are far too close to the main spawn point where you spawn initially. and also that when the game first starts, you sometimes spawn too far from your side's control point. It's mainly on Olympus, where this occurs. Can't easily do the capture challenge, when you're spawned off into Narnia, nor can you get ratings as easily to level up your guns.