Get Rid Of Rats In Rank!!!
Nah bro I'm real tired of being matchmake with players that want to rat and don't do anything. They just want to sit in one and let teammates die or do all the heavy lifting and they get some reward ...
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@Stevoyd But it is stupid now that ranked does not include your skill in aim and ability to kill and now only consider how good you are at not doing combat. BUT, your hidden MMR only consider your skill in aiming and ability to kill. But guess what your matchmaking in rank is based on your MMR so what is the deal here?
Well the deal is that your rank only depicts your ability to stay alive within a hidden skillgroup...
Well the deal is that your rank only depicts your ability to stay alive within a hidden skillgroup...
It doesn't just depict how well you can hide.
It also doesn't depict how well you can aim either.
It depicts the combination of both.
If you suck at aiming, you won't climb.
If you suck at making the right decisions, you won't climb.
If you're being smart about how you play, and take the right fights, then you'll climb.
It just simply doesn't promote being an ape and charging in to every single fight in the hopes of third-partying to steal kills anymore... and the more players realise they can't just do that and expect to climb, then the better tbh.
For example;
I've just came 3rd in a match as a solo because my two teammates decided that it was more important to loot out of zone, than to relocate for the zone. I strategically fought 1v3 and almost beat the team that outed me while solo from playing smart while the person that finished 2nd just hid. We lost that game because they weren't making the correct decisions, and that impacts my rank. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how good your aim is when you have no brains.
- @Stevoyd I’d actually argue that the rats are the nobrain people…
Shockingly for 99% of the playerbase fighting is more fun than hiding, considering that why would a person do something that is no fun for them ? They value their lifetime that little that they don’t wanna get the most enjoyment out of their Freetime? Is a very weird mindset ngl
Gave you an example with my team and evwn Every other higher team does the same thing, run at everyone they see and fight… why ? It’s fun…
But not only that, it’s also the best way to improve the most and get as much practice as possible in. So even from an efficiency/practice standpoint that’s the way you should play.
Ratting to master now will bring you nothing everyone is aware that the badge of this season is meaningless, it’s a false accomplishment.I think based on the comments though, in this case "rat" is purely anyone that is at a higher rank that can't aim as well as the one claiming they're a rat.
Which as my comment states it isn't really accurate since players can actually be ranked higher based on intelligent decision making, instead of just being mechanical aimers.
I'm under no illusions that my aim is good - but I've come from a long career of playing online FPS games to know where the best tactical positions are, how to reach them, and when to engage against enemy teams, where as my teammates are repeatedly more intellectually along the lines of cavemen; "SEE ENEMY. RUN FEET. GUNS BRRR"
And then they have the audacity to blame someone else because they aped into a building solo against three players after giving up the "god spot".
EDIT:
FYI I don't also see myself as a rat unless I'm a solo survivor of my squad. I know that I don't stand a chance of winning a 1v3, so I tactically await teams to engage each other, and then I usually shoot a few bullets to get a knock in the fight on the team that's mostly in cover.
I had to educate my team to a win the other day with the same concept - never shoot the exposed team. You just alert them to your position, and allow them to re-position. Equally, the team already in cover gets alerted to your position, and you're in a stalemate there for first.
Always shoot the team in cover and help the exposed team. They won't adjust their positioning to your incoming fire because you're not shooting them, leaving you (or them) to kill the team that has the advantage, leaving them completely exposed when it becomes your team vs their team.
@Stevoyd I think you are oblivious a bit to be honest. A "rat" is that type of person who use specific legends to hide in difficult to see spots like small gaps in or bugged areas( behind some walls). They find specific place and try not to engage at all. This is why matchmaking is scuffed because they get points if they are the last 10 team. This behavior also screw with the other players who wants to enjoy the game normally by fighting; and by fighting I don't mean charge between 4 teams.
One more annoying thing is that the matchmaking groups are bad, they matchmake platinum players with silver.
@matzesingt
"But not only that, it’s also the best way to improve the most and get as much practice as possible in. So even from an efficiency/practice standpoint that’s the way you should play."
Now that's an argument. I don't believe it applies to every player, but it applies to most.
But let me throw out yet another kind of player: someone who is already competent in a fight, though maybe no masters level hero. Maybe they like a fight or two per match, but are not interested in fighting their way through the entire match, beginning to end. Especially given the lack of quality in random match squadmates in this game.
I guess you might call that guy a "rat by circumstance" more than by disposition.
What do you think? Cheater? Bannable? Or just an unfortunate side-effect of the way the game works? I'm not trying to beg any particular answer here, but it seems to be a slightly different take on the same discussion we've been having all along.
- @Stevoyd If you consider that your match making is cut off from majority of the playerbase if you rank higher than gold previous seasons than you quickly realize how pointless ranked is for anyone... The change in hidden MMR is near to non existing so you will play against same player base again and again and again, so you won't ever get the benefit of ever playing against or with higher skilled players leading you to a false achievement where you can brag I am Predator rank in Apex when in reality you might only be predator within the skill group that has accuracy less than 5% and barely kill a player in 10 games. Now would you say that it depicts your skill level in a game when you are playing against a subset of players no matter your rank? Is competetive ranked gameplay not supposed to accurately depict your skill towards total amount of participants? Imagine having 10 different gold medals in a football game because someone said there is 10 different skillgroups that play in the same tournament.....
The ratting problem is getting worse and worse, however my issue is with the cheaters and smurphs again. They're back in the matches, and the anti-cheat doesn't seem to care. I report these players who are snapping from player to player, only for EA to send a "We didn't take action" emails. They only send "We took action", when I had reported a player for a bad name.
I might as well switch to Overwatch. At least cheaters get banned on the spot and aren't allowed to grief match after match after match.- @Midnight9746 `They only send "We took action", when I had reported a player for a bad name.`
so true , but also so sad
@Stevoyd wrote:It doesn't just depict how well you can hide.
It also doesn't depict how well you can aim either.
It depicts the combination of both.
If you suck at aiming, you won't climb.
This is 100% wrong because in S17 you can literally climb a division in one day playing few hours without doing 0 dmg.
And here is the math to back it up:
1. For placing in the top 6 you get 80 points
2. If you know the map it's very easy to rat your way to top 6
3. One division has 1000 points which means you need 13 of those games to climb one division
4. A game where you get top 6 approxinmately lasts 13 min
5. This means that you need 13 x 12 min which is ~3h of gameplay to climb a division
6. In a perfect world you will rank up one league in 4 days
This is the perfect scenario, but let's say you play a bit less over a day and you mess up some of the games, you can still climb one league in a week easy and this is actually insane. With 0 damage, 0 aim and 0 gunplay you can climb 4 leagues in a month just by ratting. This is just wrong and needs to be adressed asap. I understand that some people are happy about this because this season they can reach a rank they would have never reached in previous seasons and in a good ranking system, but it's is just wrong and pathetic.
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