Gun Recoil
Where is it at? Every player who can beam me from 100 meters with a 99 has ZERO recoil. Almost everyone i watch even good pros have zero recoil. This is virtually impossible to not see some kind of s...
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@SugaryJuice wrote:Ah, allow me to shed some light on the Apex recoil problem. Guns like the R-99 and previously the Havoc, lack horizontal recoil, which is left/right kickback per shot. Now, they do have vertical recoil, but the thing about vertical recoil is that in video games, there isn't both up and down kickback. It is usually just one direction with vertical recoil, even though horizontal recoil is made to kick back both to the left and right. So when guns don't have any horizontal recoil, like the R-99, all a player has to do is hold the camera button to counteract the upwards kickback, thus completely removing the effects of recoil mechanics altogether. This makes no sense because a rapid-fire weapon should have immense recoil when holding down the trigger as a trade-off for the ridiculous fire rate.
The Spitfire is a good example of a weapon with horizontal recoil. This is why you may hear a lot of complaints about the effectiveness of the weapon. Holding down the trigger for a target more than five feet away is a fool's errand because you're going to recoil to the plains of Antarctica. And yet, the Spitfire has one of the lowest, if not the lowest fire rate for primary weapons.
The R-99 has been a hard meta carry for several seasons because of the unbalanced recoil and fire rate combination. Players should not be able to use a sub-machine gun as a primary laser beam.
This is completely untrue. Do you even know the recoil pattern of the R99 ? Yeah most people just keep it down, but you will miss a lot of your shots.
Yeah sure zero horizontal recoil ....
And with the movement in this game, if the recoil patterns was harder it would be a pain.
In CS:GO in order to keep your recoil, your standing still/crouching while doing it, thats why they are somehow harder.
The recoil of some guns are easy to control in close range i agree with that, but for bigger range its kick really hard.
A lot of people are keeping their sight on the target because they are using cheats/macros/scripts. Its easy as that.
I already show clips of pro player using macros for single fire rate, what exactly would stop them to use it for recoil as well ?
Its obvious.
"miss a lot of your shots" That is definitively, demonstrably false, considering my Apex matches aren't hallucinations. I frequently use the R-99, and due to the camera adjustment, I experience little to no recoil even if I hold down the trigger with a level 3 extended mag. It is not uncommon for me to instantly down other players because I managed to hit them with every single bullet in the magazine. Your graph appears to display the unmitigated recoil, which means those are the alleged recoil patterns without any mechanical intervention from the input source (player or 3rd party program), which is irrelevant because not adjusting the camera per shot would be a hopelessly ineffective way to play a first-person shooter because of moving targets.
So, I'm not sure what you mean by "harder" recoil patterns. What I am saying is that there needs to be a combination of vertical AND horizontal recoil, obviously with a reasonable magnitude, so that players like me that take advantage of every last dust spec mechanic don't just automatically roll over casual players. I play Xbox and have played on PC and I don't use cheats, macros, or any 3rd party programs. It's just my natural gameplay, yet I have been reported for cheating numerous times, which I can usually predict when I land every last bullet in my magazine into moving target. The mechanics need to be improved. As for your point about range making it more difficult to laser people, that's kind of a red herring because that has nothing to do with recoil. That's bullet spread.
Also, I think you may be misinterpreting my intentions. I wasn't defending professional gamers or streamers by trying to suggest that they laser their targets because they are all fantastic at the game. What I was trying to do was explain that not every single instance of getting beamed by an R-99 is the result of cheating, but could be the result of a player that is utilizing otherwise poor game mechanics that need to be changed. Said players including myself.
Bump awaiting clarifaction if we are allowed to bypass the games biggest mechanic using Xim G-hub and more.
@SugaryJuice wrote:"miss a lot of your shots" That is definitively, demonstrably false, considering my Apex matches aren't hallucinations. I frequently use the R-99, and due to the camera adjustment, I experience little to no recoil even if I hold down the trigger with a level 3 extended mag. It is not uncommon for me to instantly down other players because I managed to hit them with every single bullet in the magazine. Your graph appears to display the unmitigated recoil, which means those are the alleged recoil patterns without any mechanical intervention from the input source (player or 3rd party program), which is irrelevant because not adjusting the camera per shot would be a hopelessly ineffective way to play a first-person shooter because of moving targets.
So, I'm not sure what you mean by "harder" recoil patterns. What I am saying is that there needs to be a combination of vertical AND horizontal recoil, obviously with a reasonable magnitude, so that players like me that take advantage of every last dust spec mechanic don't just automatically roll over casual players. I play Xbox and have played on PC and I don't use cheats, macros, or any 3rd party programs. It's just my natural gameplay, yet I have been reported for cheating numerous times, which I can usually predict when I land every last bullet in my magazine into moving target. The mechanics need to be improved. As for your point about range making it more difficult to laser people, that's kind of a red herring because that has nothing to do with recoil. That's bullet spread.
Also, I think you may be misinterpreting my intentions. I wasn't defending professional gamers or streamers by trying to suggest that they laser their targets because they are all fantastic at the game. What I was trying to do was explain that not every single instance of getting beamed by an R-99 is the result of cheating, but could be the result of a player that is utilizing otherwise poor game mechanics that need to be changed. Said players including myself.
You can talk as much as you want, the graphic does not lie. There is not only vertical recoil, which is what you said, this is a fact, The graph speaks for myself.
As far as the long distance - it makes big difference, its kick a lot harder and its way harder to keep it on the target.
This is our problem lasering people from 100+ meters with R99, which is because people are using no-recoil macros/script, even the pro players, that was proven.
You are a Xbox player, its totally different you have * aim assist, which is a OP joke and everyone know this.
- You are a Xbox player, its totally different you have * aim assist, which is a OP joke and everyone know this.
So consoles having aim assist is OP? Everyone on console is in the same boat so they all have aim assist. Aiming is so much quicker and easier on PC hence consoles having aim assist. It doesn't automatically give you a free kill.
Also if pro players and streamers abused macros etc its would be blatantly obvious and they would be banned. Prove they are doing this.@xx_Dante2k_xxThey would not be banned because in theory it is actually not programs that the company would consider something to do what it does. As Hal for example. He openly leaves his G-hub open which control this for his machine. These programs are also DPI on mouse controlling programs. So to detect it can happen but the use for it can not. I need to prove nothing when its open source videos all over for you to go watch. You never wondered how these "pro" players never ever go off recoil patterns no matter the distance? If you have not wondered this then your sleeping and blind. Go watch yourtube videos of people who openly show how to use this and then tell me over half the population is not using it. In fact my very own friends use it just for this purpose. It tricks the computer into thinking the controller is the main source in reality the keyboard and mouse is and has aim assist.
For 100 bucks for XIM you can be a apex god recoil means nothing with Xim flash drive. This is the problem. If i die i wanna ensure i die to legit fair game play players. Not horrible players needing assistance with their aim.
Your "graphic" is irrelevant since the mechanics it refers to are easily mitigated by player compensation. If your actual complaint is that people are using 3rd party resources, then that's cheating, and you need to make a post about cheating.
Also, your point about aim assist is fallacious, since literally everyone has it. There is a reason for aim assist on consoles, and that is because of the restricted input motion that comes with using a joystick, essentially making the player a second-hand input source, instead of a hand-sensor (mouse) which directly inputs the player's exact hand motions.
After 5 seasons, I've quit the game because of this exact issue, and the lack of acknowledgement or action by the devs. It's gone on too long, I'm tired of waiting and arguing with mindless idiots on the Internet about the fact that it even exists etc.
I've only come back in here to say I'm having a LOT more fun playing Warzone than this bs, and that says a lot. Yes, they're different games, yes, Apex's movement is unrivalled, etc.. But this game doesn't F with you and your self esteem like Apex does actively.
And also, importantly (for those that claim we're all salty and that cheating doesn't happen as much as we say etc), I'm spectating my killers on Warzone too, and have only died to ONE anti-recoil cheater so far. Why? Probably because they actually have a team that gives a * about it, and they actually have a "report" button. Apex took away the report option on PS4 16 MONTHS AGO ffs, and it's still gone.
Pointless game, in a pointless state. And above all else, it's just really very sad - because I honestly adore the game. I just never have fun any more, and I haven't for a year.
I played one final game the other day; died. Spectated my killer who was using anti-recoil. He died, so I spectated HIS killer who was using anti-recoil, and when he died (yup, there's a pattern here).. That was the final nail in the coffin for me. Well, that, and having an "official warning" on this forum for telling a self-confessed cheater to quit cheating or quit the game. The guy basically said "the more you spend on your computer equipment, the more entitled you are to use macros/cheat in games" etc. Needless to say, he's brainless and entitled, as are all those who agree with him or defend that stance.
Anyway, the tl;dr:
We've simply been overrun, and the best way to fix it, is to leave all the cheaters * with/over each other whilst giggling in a big, wet circle singing Kumbaya until the game we loved dies.
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