Gun Recoil

@E9ine_AC They don't care about your concerns, they never have, and they probably never will.

After the Iron Crown incident, EA most likely put a lock on developer communication. Makes sense since the developers don't see us as players unless you spend money on the game, if you don't apparently we're all just freeloaders. 

Now the only communication from the developers is on Twitter, where Respawn Entertainment can easily claim plausible deniability. Even then, they don't really respond to criticism of any sort, they just respond to the positive comments only. 

I once seen in the movie transformers a great line.. 

NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURRENDER.

I wont give up till this is addressed. 

Yea im still here as a paying customer wishing for answers and responses to this post from staff. Over a month long topic with 9 pages for not a single staff to remotely even entertain this concern. Spit in my face why dont ya. 

I assume this means we can literally bypass your games mechanics and cancel our recoil also? Since pro's and averages are allowed to do it i suppose means we can no staff has said it is not allowed or being looked into. Openly cheating is allowed apparently. To alter the games mechanics is considered a client hack and or cheating. Yet here they are still having zero recoil using recoil scripts and macros. But i guess it dont matter huh if they streaming your game. Have you ever thought lots have left because people have god like aim using these programs and its un fair advantage to us playing legit having recoil patterns go off cause well we manually having to aim and drag. While they get to point and shoot and only follow the bodies movement. Where us normals are adjusting to moving body and keeping our recoil pattern correct. 

OPEN CHEAT I SUPPOSE HAVE FUN GUYS THEY SEEM TO BE ALLOWING IT!

Private info. :D

I won`t say a name, but i hired a pro coach, because i wanted to see if my training routine is good enough, and also had a few question about my strafing mechanics and a few other stuffs, and i also asked what is the best way to train recoil(i was training on the dummy), and the answer was literally just use macro for no-recoil, everyone is doing it. :D

It was just what i though and actually what i see from a lot of streamers. I mean i`m playing FPS game for very long period i`m a CS:GO player and i know how to keep the recoil, but in Apex movement is so much more freely, and your not standing still(crouching) when shooting to control it, but moving left-to-right, same as your opponent, and its a open huge map, with every fight being in a different distance, and recoil kicks harder on longer distances.

I for example can keep the recoil of R99 perfectly to a certain distance, but yet most streamers(tho they are not spending any time in training it), can do it in a ridiculous long range with a scope that kick really hard on a big distances, yet their gun is not moving at all, and shots are straight up on target head.

It doesn`t get more obvious then that.

I can give ShivFPS for example. He is one of the guys that is not using. I`m watching him often and he most definitely is not using single fire mode macro, and you can see how his shots sometimes goes way off, exactly because of the recoil with R99, with R301, with Flatline and with the Spitfire for example, and he is top 3 most kill in the game.

I also watch Rogue, and he most definitely is using macro for single fire mode.

I've never heard of developers reaching out to players in forums to give them information or updates. The only way I've ever known to communicate with developers has been through direct contact on social media, which would require you to know their social media handles. Even then, I am almost certain that they are instructed by their employers not provide any specific information or tabs on what is being worked on, and there are several big reasons for that. This is a feedback forum run by EA, so while Respawn employees may stop by and read through the posts, I highly doubt you're going to wake up to a reply from a senior designer giving you an itinerary of their next set of moves for the game. If you're looking for active communication, I think you're just in the wrong place. I hope this helped.

Ohh just sitting here watching streamers with 5k + viewers who are dragging their mouse a solid 7 to 8 inches at times for simple movement yet when they fire a gun it stays 100% still no recoil pattern being done on their mouse in fact some had it on very very bottom of mouse pad where if they was to even drag down it would come off the pad. But i guess this is legit game play pro's? Makes me sick

Just read a bit of this thread. I played my fair share in Season 1 and then came back recently here in Season 5. What I'm reading is really worrying if that's true, and I tend to think it is, because so many games I had people just erasing me and my teammate 2v1 in a few instants with a high RoF weapon while when I'm shooting with it the spread goes everywhere even with a good stabilizer. Of course I realise the difference between my skill and the skill of veteran players, no arguments, but getting hit by EVERY SINGLE BULLET from at R301 or R99 at 80-100 meters is not normal and it's happening really often. I can tell the difference when people just use their skill as there's a lot of stray bullets and the fight feels fairer and more fun. 

I didn't know there were scripts or macros or whatever to do that and that's really disgusting if it's true. This is cheating, end of discussion. Been seeing a few "pro gamers" having laser-like weapons too, and to think naive me believed they just learnt the recoil patterns or something (I'm no expert).

@EldritchElvis not to mention that there's quite literally random recoil for R301, R99, and Flatline. It's nigh impossible to hit every shot because of it. 3x optics on R3 and Flatline have become super popular now because it's much easier to re-sight your target once the random recoil kicks in, not to mention the fact that on R301 the randomness can literally bump your shot in any direction. 

The main thing is recoil kicks hard if you aiming at further distances. R99 with 2x scope in a long distances kick really hard.

Go try with Havoc on 50 or 100+ meters.
Yet most streamers that barely used Havoc, are lasering with it, on any range, without missing a shot, which is impossible. If you somehow manage to keep the firsts shots, you are going to underaim and miss the target with the next ones.
Just accept that most people are using it, esp in ranked 90% is using some kind of a soft-cheat.

Got a teammate today with 30k + kills, and he was cheating.

Apex is a lost cause when we are talking about cheaters. I though they would do something in season 5, because in S4 was insane, but now its actually even way worst.

I quit Apex weeks ago after tirelessly trying to raise more awareness of this issue, only to find an alarmingly large demographic of players online claiming it doesn't exist, or that I need to get gud, etc.

Just popping back to check the progress on the issue, and am extremely saddened but totally unsurprised to see that still, no one with authority gives a single flying * about it.

Such a shame. This was my favourite game for a long time, but now it's been completely shelved. 

Just watched the "girl" streamer, she literally hipfiring at 10-15+ meter without missing a shot, and no recoil whatsoever.

That girl is using all kind of cript/macros and i`m like 10000000% sure in that.

Just watch her shooting and most importantly her hipfire.

There is no way and i say NO WAY you are that accurate on hipfire, NO WAY !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vSFX9S9Vs

Watch the whole clip.

E9ine_AC, they don`t care mate. They won`t do anything, otherwise they had to ban 80% of the streamers. As far as soft cheaters and hard cheaters, ShivFPS is screaming every single day on his streams(he is one of the most watched streamers) about the cheating(and he is only speaking about hard ones that are obvious), yet Respawn are doing nothing, when this is hurting them big time, did you think they will care for people that complain in here, when they don`t care where top streamer like ShivFPS is saying RANKED is infested with cheaters and Respawn are doing nothing in front of millions and they still do nothing ????

So let me ask you again, did you think they really care about cheating ??? They can`t fix the hard cheating problem, and we want them to fix the soft cheating and macros/scripts ....

Ain`t happening.

At this moment it will be better to stop losing time in this forum and just wait for a better BR title that will come soon, because i`m very sorry to say it, but Apex is a lost cause.

@EldritchElvisThere are also controllers that have paddles that can lower or speed up your sensitivity mid fight like the razor wolverine with agile and focus which allow people to us super high sensitivites that even true pros can't play with consistantly without any muscle memory or fine control at all.

Edit: feel what this is like use the default setting and try to control the r99 then do it again on higher ads sensitivity.

Personally I don't think cheats should be banned I think they should secritly be blacklists that way the only people the cheaters can play with are cheaters. Give em a taste of their own toxic medicine.

@E9ine_ACThe macros i would assume are mostly be used for looting, strafe spam, crouch spam, perfect sliding and b hopping. I guess you could use it for single fire weapons too but they have maximum fire rates so....