Why are my teammates so horrendous??!!!!! I swear to god I cant be the only one who always outperforms their teammates and feels like every game is a 1v3 especially in arenas!

@GlitchlnTheVoid MM is rigged , "SB" is just a Marketing lie

EOMM runs apex that why it's so bad first game you might as well be against bot and the rest you are against master and predator squads then 7-15 games after loosing you MIGHT get an easy lobbie

@XBlazeinPhoenixXits not the enemies he is complaining about, its the teammates that are the problem. it simply makes no sense to mix bloody newbs with frequent flyers. you drop and your mate is dead before you even grab a gun, that is how bad this matchmaking has become ... and meanwhile people complain about leavers, its a homemade problem.

@GlitchlnTheVoidI'm 100% with you on how frustrating this is. But I don't think the dev is doing this to annoy us. I believe the idea is that a lobby where 15 squads are all beginners and 5 are experienced players... is going to play out exactly how you would imagine. But if you mix up the squads where most of them are a pair of novices and someone with more experience, then you MIGHT have a situation where the newer players learn from the older, and outcomes MIGHT be more balanced. Obviously this is not the reality, but I really believe that it is the intention.The real problem is "solo queueing in a team game." The real problem is "a game with a too-wide skill gap." The real problem is "bad matchmaking." The real problem is "smurfs." The real problem is "not matching based on playstyle." I could go on all day.

@reconzero There actually isn't that wide of a skillgap. What we have is a "cheater gap". A large percentage of players in this game are cheating, from level 150 to MOST predator players being cheaters. The twitch apologists will come out and try to do some mental gymnastics about why their favorite streamer is the best in the game... but it doesn't logically make any sense.The same few hundred people every. single. season. come out at the very top of the predator lists despite the fact that millions of people have played this game - with half a million on peak load play this game regularly. The bottom of the pred list shifts, but the same individuals are able to outclass just about everybody all of the time. That's not possible in a BR game which is inherently built upon "randomness" and which has so many disqualifying "issues" such as audiobugs and server problems.The occam's razor explanation is that most players who win more than they lose at the far end of a deviation bell-curve are cheating. There's nothing to this game that makes it inherently different than any other shooting game. You can't say your aim in Apex is better than in MW2, because all the stuff you're going to say is different would be learnable within a couple hundred hours of gameplay (if you were actually that good). Moreover, Apex has built in junk that makes it nearly impossible to hit shots as well as some of these cheaters do, such as situations which you literally can't see anything on screen because there is smoke, some kind of flash animation going on, bushes, etc. the screen shakes violently whenever all sorts of stuff happens - grenades, getting shot, running, care package landing, smoke going off, traps, you name it - there are a huge myriad of reasons that it literally doesn't make sense how people make these shots.More importantly, we have BUILT IN cheating with controller and console crossplay. Most "pros" have switched to controller or have teams built out with one or more controller players to cover for their aimbot. Yes, they are using controller AND aimbot. It's not possible for you to pick up a controller after not having any experience with it and within a hundred hours be top Pred again. Not possible. That would be like me being at expert racing level after just learning how to drive a stick shift in a car. Not possible. I might be rapidly progressing, but I cannot be an expert with such little time played. Yet, we have seen this on stream a few times with notable high level players.I do agree with your assessment about bad matchmaking, and the rest of what you say about smurfing, and especially allowing solo queueing in a team game without offering a solo-only mode. meaning a mode which is built strictly of three-person teams only solo-queuers.

Horrible teammates | EA Forums

26 Replies

Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@GlitchlnTheVoid Your teammates are horrendous because they are RANDOM teammates. Random teammates are players that never played with you, don't know you, don't know who they can rely on, know by experience they cannot rely on any random which is what you are to him.

This is the whole concept of playing with randoms. I guess many of them get jacked up for the only good game they are gonna have in the next couple of hours and think this could be their 10 kill 3k game which gains them so many points so they start going for the kills.

It is totally unfair for solo rank players to play with randoms vs premades but that is the way it is... they should lower entry costs for us... a lot.

So the best is to try to support them get Rp's and if they even knock anybody and are both of them down you leave and try to go for the banner or placement.
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Palette24carats"Your teammates are horrendous because they are RANDOM teammates."
Ever heard of Gaussian distribution ? If it would be completely random, we should see Teammates across the board , not only the bottom of the foodchain 95% of the time, like some of us experience. I would not get Octanes as mates every 3rd game (which would mean 33% of players had to use octane, but from what i read its 10%). I can have a great time if my "random" mates actually know how to play the game, doesnt matter if i know them or not, they should know the gameplay tho. But the MM (i dont call it SB, bcs its mostly not skillbased, at least what i define as skill) prevents that from happening, while dealing me people that actually dont know how to play the game.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@r1ggedgame It is also the nature of solo q that most randoms are bad ... because guess what happens when you are bad? Nobody wants to play with you more than 1 hour so they end up solo queuing the most.

That means Respawn cant do anything about it... there simply are too many of them bad players solo queuing so they cant always give you the best ones like you are a king deserving it more than all the others.
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Palette24carats Oh you wanna be king that deserves it all ?
Bcs i just want mates and enemies on roughly a same skill-bracket, and that should be very much possible and not too much to ask. im even willing to wait some minutes until the game starts (not like those content creators ...).
put those skill-brackets into a FFA style shooting range until 60 people are ready. let them assign the teams themselves up until a timer gets off, timeout unassigned/afk players , fill-up again and start.
If there are that many bad solo q players as you suggest, Queuetimes should not even be changing for them.
I clearly dont want a win handed to me by lowering the lobby skill (or giving me masters and preds on my side) by MM just to make me win when it thinks i deserve one, those wins feel like s**t.
id rather loose at 10th place but having had a good and fair time.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@r1ggedgame What would give you this privilege? Your kd?
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Palette24caratsWhat privilege ? to "play against similar skilled opponents" (and maybe mates) as the game promised us ? That's not privilege but a broken promise ...
There are quite some options to measure basic skill, way better than using KD , since it will weight the lucky frags too heavy (my record is 2 kills with 6dmg ... would not say that was any form of skill. but pure luck) and would make the situation even worse than is now, bcs everyone would only play for KD.A healthy mix of dmg per game, revives/respawns, ult usage, time to loot, travel speed/movement, average ring number per game,TTL in crowded areas, whatever. this should roughly tell if one is a novice, advanced or master player.
Kd doesnt tell if the player is eg. a good defensive lifeline that is there when the team needs her, not making any frags at all but reviving the "offense" mates to secure the win.
Make it like the Crossplay option, if you would like to solely play on your skill level, you get put into a seperate queue and might have to wait longer for a game to start, maybe similar to the custom matches already in place for tournaments, im fine with that.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@r1ggedgame Privilege to play with the best teammates.
But then again this is subjective... there is many way to play this game... more defensive, more offensive, go more for placement or more for kills.

Your data still doesnt differentiate that.
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Palette24caratsyou always bring up the "best" team mates. idk what you are reading, surely not my posts ... also that privilege blabla ?!?! i said same "skill-bracket" team mates and opponents. that doesnt mean the "best" , but the most suitable to make a leveled match.
"Your data still doesnt differentiate that."
I made an list of examples, ending with "whatever" ... means : there is a lot more metadata you can take into account to fit the needs, pretty sure you can differentiate quite good on what Respawn has collected so far ...
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
You might have some kind of relief soon according to this tweet from today
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Take "Time to Loot" for instance, doesnt matter if youre more focused on either attack or def, that number will def. tell you if smb is a complete beginner or not. no advanced player spends half an hour thinking of which hop-up would be the best for which weapon. smb who literally flys through the lootmenu has a good chance of being well advanced.
Usage of certain advanced movement also indicates deeper ingame knowledge, no matter the playstyle.
You might even be able to fingerprint certain playstyle traits, to determine which teammates actually fit.
Combine Aggros with alike, combine the slow-game lovers. would make the game much more enjoyable for everyone. I guess the new hardcore mode could be a step into this direction.