I will say it outright, Hotdropping is the root of most problems in Apex:Hotdropping gets people so caught up in the chaos that they don't fear the ringHotdropping turns skill into RNG of getting a gunHotdropping turns teamplay into a gaggle of chickens running around with no headsHotdropping halves lobbies in the first ringHotdropping leads to cautious teams never seeing a fight until the very end of the matchHotdropping leads to nearly half the lobby dying before they have even had a chance to play the gameHotdropping leads to teams that don't bother to stick together even after the hotdropHotdropping leads to solo-droppers and impatient teammates who just rush off alone because half the lobby is already dead and they want a fight (but wont play arenas?)Hotdropping leads to unrecoverable teamates and instant-quittingHotdropping leads to not only ratting, but for people to hate on rattingHotdropping turns a battle royal, into crummy worse than arenas experience for the vast majority of the teams that will die in the hotdrop.Hotdropping leads to bad tactical mindsets and awareness, like the "just press w and delete them" mindset devoid of positioning sense.Hotdropping devalues the purpose of placement when getting to 10/20 just consists of not hot dropping.As much as it is a truly clunky solution, they should really test the idea of force-dropping teams into specific zones rather than the dropship flight path. That way you can spread out teams across the map and ensure more actual fights rather than one sided slaughter of people with no guns or ammo. It was always RNG what you would find or where you would be in relation to the first ring, so removing the choice of drop site really does not harm anything.Also there are some people out there who so clearly have never visited some parts of the map because the only hot-drop who could use a bit of map sense from the experience.

@Kinesis862You are 100% right that hot dropping is the root of all evil, and your bullet list should be added to the "Apex Basics" thread.But I have to say, you are 100% wrong to even suggest forced drops. People need to have the freedom to make the wrong choice, even if they make it seven thousand times in a row and learn absolutely nothing from the experience. Me, I'm an unrepentant solo dropper, and I'm not any more likely to let Respawn tell me where to go than I am my own jumpmaster.

@nebwiseThe faster rings are not really a problem if you are not dropped next to enemy players. I have been on plenty of teams that solo-drop the corner of the map, get a really unlucky first ring, but still survive the ring closing when we don't notice till its already on us. If people were forced to spread out then you could instill in players a willingness to pay attention to the first ring location and leave early rather than loitering for so long getting caught up in gun fights or over-looting and just start moving.The two issues most responsible is of course #1 hotdrops, but even if you completely and forcefully removed hotdrops issue #2 is just the loot pools hyper density on maps. If you dropped into a smaller POI then you will usually only loot for like a minute then get moving, but if you solo-drop a large POI then you can expect people to spend way too long trying to gear up. The gear ratio is so very densely in favor of large POIs.But in all honestly #2 is more self inflicted than #1. You can just look at the ring when you land and say "should probably get moving" so I don't really bring it up as much as hotdrops.Meanwhile hotdropping is symptom belonging to multiple causes:Players that should be playing arenas, but for some reason don't. (10 squads in the first 2 seconds of launch)Bad advice streamers saying "just drop hot and press W on those fools." (world's edge)"If you can't win a hotdrop your team is trash and you would have lost anyway" (self-fulfilling prophecy of "the wraith main")"I'll just escape on my own, if they don't too that is their fault" (Movement skill heavy meta, and difficult to revive/protect meta leading to frequent team abandonment)And of course the ranked mentality of "get a team kill from a hotdrop then rat to the end for big gains." (Symptom of placement being overshadowed by a need for kills, resulting in players taking the RNG based approach to securing at least one kill) [Honestly if it was not for all the 'rats are lame' complaining ranked could actually be about surviving as a team rather than just ratting alone in a corner after stealing one kill. Like why not do a "gain points for every ring your team is alive multiplied by the number of alive team members" system. Instead we get the "even if you lived to the end you get nothing for your time and effort to survive unless many other teams die."]

@reconzero Getting 15 kills is the point! Lol. That's better than winning. Of course ranked is different, I'll land safe and play for positioning. But pubs i only care about kills, damage or trying to get badges. In my mind ranked is for playing smart and pubs is for practicing gun skill and movement and stuff for ranked.

@Kinesis862 The faster ring encourages hot-dropping, by punishing players who land edge. If two teams land in the same POI, they have two choices: fight, and get stuck in the ring; or rotate, and get stuck fighting in the ring because every KC rotation ends in a bottleneck.

@reconzero Believe I have a simple solution to this dropping problem. Put it in the tutorial. Currently the tutorial is very basic and only slightly helpful. They should add a simulation match, with bloodhound directing you on the different places to land.Ex: (you ping a spot)Bloodhound: if you land near fragment then you may not move far from there. Landing in spots with lots of people is high risk high reward, choose carefully legend.Putting stuff like this in the tutorial would increase the logical process of players.

Kinesis862

3 years ago

Hotdropping is the root of most problems, including the ring complaints.

I will say it outright, Hotdropping is the root of most problems in Apex:

Hotdropping gets people so caught up in the chaos that they don't fear the ring
Hotdropping turns skill into RNG of getting a gun
Hotdropping turns teamplay into a gaggle of chickens running around with no heads
Hotdropping halves lobbies in the first ring
Hotdropping leads to cautious teams never seeing a fight until the very end of the match
Hotdropping leads to nearly half the lobby dying before they have even had a chance to play the game
Hotdropping leads to teams that don't bother to stick together even after the hotdrop
Hotdropping leads to solo-droppers and impatient teammates who just rush off alone because half the lobby is already dead and they want a fight (but wont play arenas?)
Hotdropping leads to unrecoverable teamates and instant-quitting
Hotdropping leads to not only ratting, but for people to hate on ratting
Hotdropping turns a battle royal, into crummy worse than arenas experience for the vast majority of the teams that will die in the hotdrop.
Hotdropping leads to bad tactical mindsets and awareness, like the "just press w and delete them" mindset devoid of positioning sense.
Hotdropping devalues the purpose of placement when getting to 10/20 just consists of not hot dropping.

As much as it is a truly clunky solution, they should really test the idea of force-dropping teams into specific zones rather than the dropship flight path. That way you can spread out teams across the map and ensure more actual fights rather than one sided slaughter of people with no guns or ammo. It was always RNG what you would find or where you would be in relation to the first ring, so removing the choice of drop site really does not harm anything.

Also there are some people out there who so clearly have never visited some parts of the map because the only hot-drop who could use a bit of map sense from the experience.

maps

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1unown1
3 years ago
@reconzero Getting 15 kills is the point! Lol. That's better than winning. Of course ranked is different, I'll land safe and play for positioning. But pubs i only care about kills, damage or trying to get badges. In my mind ranked is for playing smart and pubs is for practicing gun skill and movement and stuff for ranked.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@1unown1

My sweet spot is when my first engagement of the game is taking the win by killing the kill leader. So much for those fifteen kills.
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Kinesis862 Tons of people enjoy the random chaos of hot dropping. I find it really difficult to be consistently good at it due to the RNG nature of it and my relative lack of skill.

Map design plays a big role though. Fragment is the perfect example. I freaking hate Fragment because the loot there is mediocre, it isn't complicated enough to hide or escape with any success, & it is accessible from every drop ship path. Not unusual to see half the lobby die there and then the middle of the match be pretty quiet.

Broken Moon seems to have addressed this by making the central POI, Terraformer, the biggest one on the map.
DELETExSBMM
2 years ago
@Kinesis862 You make a great point. I'd almost rather the game just spawn us on the edge of the map and not let us choose where to drop.
Zulkiers
2 years ago
Since the launch of this thread, Arenas has pretty much been deleted. Now it's TDMs and Controls.
Still faster than BR, but takes longer than Arenas.
I do wish they'd bring back Arenas.
As for BR, I hate hotdroppers because it's guaranteed death. I live in the woods so we don't have access to the best internet.
And when we launch edge-bound, the first ring gets quite small because few people remain.
I mostly witness that later in game.
I've had matches where each ring one or two squads die, and we have little to no ring movement.
And matches where 5+ died and later rings got massive movements.
I've had matches that had 6+ rings and matches where by final 2 the 4th ring was the final and would eat everyone when it moves, and then half-way through moving my team died.
So the ring movements are dependent on how many survivors or surviving squads there are, and because of the hotdroppers the rings are fewer, faster, and stronger.
As for people leaving matches when they get downed or bannered... I've had plenty of matches where I revive and respawn my teammates.
I had one match as Ballistic where I had 4 respawns and 2 revives.
He's not even a support class!
I've had a duos match as crypto where I respawned my ally 5 times, and almost got 6th but had to cross the final duo for the drone to reach the final beacon.. didn't end well...
second place! we played a few more matches together after that...
And, as NewCastle, I've had a few times that I launch my Ultimate at a downed ally, and they left before I landed, thus I couldn't revive them with my golden revive shield or pickup/craft their banner... Those times are really infuriating.
I've had a few where them leaving got me killed, a few where they stayed and I revived and they wrecked the enemy crew, and a few where they left before I could activate and so I put it away and I made second place without them while they left around 15th (trios).
I tend to always make top 5 by edge dropping, even if allies leave halfway through. I'm a rouge and aid, not a fighter - due to terrible internet service otherwise I'd have more wins under my belt.
This is getting long, better wait for replies to what's there before saying more...
MrGreenWithAGun
2 years ago
@Kinesis862Your list sounds like all the reasons to hot drop... so much fun!

Look mom, no gun!

I would really enjoy this match if we played for more than one minute.
edit:
@6pure6hate6 I agree. There are times when I want to drop hot because I have played several matches just running around and not seeing any action. It's also a good opportunity to see if the team you are with is any good. So if they want to drop hot and I am ready, then I let them know they can drop anywhere for all i care. And it can be more fun and rewarding than to drop on the edges of the map. For me its a mood thing, what do I feel like doing this match?

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