Lets Talk About 'Skill-Based Matchmaking'?
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Hey @JiboTV I've looked at this thread since the very start and I must tip my hat to you. You Had to repeat yourself numerous times,something I would not have the patience for 😉 ! Regardless, this thread is about SBMM. I am an Apex Predator,#10,824 on XB1,K/d 1.41(Just so you can get an idea of the range im at in Apex). To start , I've started playing apex towards the end of season 2,at the start of the Voidwalker event. I don't know if SBMM was implemented during that time,but there was a post earlier that mentioned that the had a small chance of killing a squad,that was how it was for me. The matches I would get would consist of me being matched with people who carried me or the opposite and a win would ALMOST certainly mean that the next match , I would be melted immediately. I would say that the SBMM then( If it exisisted then) was fair.I would win some,but lose the most and would be going against people of my skill range, but most seemingly better than me. And even though I would get it handed to me, Apex was still a very fun and challenging game.Enter season 3 and things get really black and white. By the time this season started I was on the up and up in terms and skill and was able to hold my own against squads by myself and would be able to take out multiple squads in one match alone. Then out of nowhere I would be put into lobbies and get absolutely smashed,along with my teammates from teams that were extremely coordinated,so much so that they would be able to wipe my teams(for ex. all of us are purple.) within 10 seconds.After like 3-6 matches of that,I would get lobbies that are "fun"(fun being that my squad isnt creamed by any other squad in the firstt 20 seconds of the game and we actually get a chance to shoot back at the other squads ).Just for me to go back to lobbies that were extremely coordninated and get melted. I went to ranked for a big bit ,got stuck in plat for a big bit in the season, and eventually got to diamond,then pred.And my expierience is that ranked is the way I bellieve that Sbmm works as intended because althought those matches were challenging yet exciting ,like the later part of season 2 for me. But, regular matches are almost unplayable for me because everyone who I play against are diamond/pred level and are in pre-made squads.I can't even play with my friends because they are in plat range and can't handle people of my skill level,espcially if they are coordinated.And I believe a lot of people in this thread and who play this game,understand how exhausting it is if you are a solo queuing predator.I dont want to stomp on noobs,I'm just looking for matches where I can have fun and not have to tryhard every game.I agree with how you feel about SBMM,I son't want it to be turned off because of newcomers,but its current state,its not fun for the people who are skilled at the game and like you said in your first post ,we get punished for getting better at the game."Get better or die." sums it up quite well.Sorry for the longwinded post,Keep doing what your doing,because you actually got me to join the discussion via how you approached it.
@wattzon16 wrote:Hey @JiboTV I've looked at this thread since the very start and I must tip my hat to you. You Had to repeat yourself numerous times,something I would not have the patience for 😉 ! Regardless, this thread is about SBMM. I am an Apex Predator,#10,824 on XB1,K/d 1.41(Just so you can get an idea of the range im at in Apex). To start , I've started playing apex towards the end of season 2,at the start of the Voidwalker event. I don't know if SBMM was implemented during that time,but there was a post earlier that mentioned that the had a small chance of killing a squad,that was how it was for me. The matches I would get would consist of me being matched with people who carried me or the opposite and a win would ALMOST certainly mean that the next match , I would be melted immediately. I would say that the SBMM then( If it exisisted then) was fair.I would win some,but lose the most and would be going against people of my skill range, but most seemingly better than me. And even though I would get it handed to me, Apex was still a very fun and challenging game.Enter season 3 and things get really black and white. By the time this season started I was on the up and up in terms and skill and was able to hold my own against squads by myself and would be able to take out multiple squads in one match alone. Then out of nowhere I would be put into lobbies and get absolutely smashed,along with my teammates from teams that were extremely coordinated,so much so that they would be able to wipe my teams(for ex. all of us are purple.) within 10 seconds.After like 3-6 matches of that,I would get lobbies that are "fun"(fun being that my squad isnt creamed by any other squad in the firstt 20 seconds of the game and we actually get a chance to shoot back at the other squads ).Just for me to go back to lobbies that were extremely coordninated and get melted. I went to ranked for a big bit ,got stuck in plat for a big bit in the season, and eventually got to diamond,then pred.And my expierience is that ranked is the way I bellieve that Sbmm works as intended because althought those matches were challenging yet exciting ,like the later part of season 2 for me. But, regular matches are almost unplayable for me because everyone who I play against are diamond/pred level and are in pre-made squads.I can't even play with my friends because they are in plat range and can't handle people of my skill level,espcially if they are coordinated.And I believe a lot of people in this thread and who play this game,understand how exhausting it is if you are a solo queuing predator.I dont want to stomp on noobs,I'm just looking for matches where I can have fun and not have to tryhard every game.I agree with how you feel about SBMM,I son't want it to be turned off because of newcomers,but its current state,its not fun for the people who are skilled at the game and like you said in your first post ,we get punished for getting better at the game."Get better or die." sums it up quite well.Sorry for the longwinded post,Keep doing what your doing,because you actually got me to join the discussion via how you approached it.
@wattzon16 Thanks for your time in writing that out - I understand where you are coming from and it does take patience to discuss these topics. Patience with the developers and the players who are and aren't experiencing these issues as much. What you say is echoing that idea I have heard that you bounce around above and below skill ceiling within unranked matches outside of what might expected in ranked. This can explain why some people are suggesting ranked might be easier at times and furthers my point that you need to get better or die. You also mention the sad fact of being unable to play with friends, I touch on this numerous times in this post and wish people could understand the impact on being unable to play with friends or newer players generally. I think it contributes to why people look at stats and badges of the kill leaders and wallow in despair for a minute when they see high stats or badges.
Sorry if I couldn't respond to all of what you wrote, but I think I got most of it! Thanks for taking your time to give feedback.
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