Matchmaking is broken!
So I play with two of my friends and we play mostly Pubs. We are gold level players. Never climbed above gold 1. And yet, in pubs, we keep betting annihilated by players with 4k, Master/Predator ...
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@Sand_spitterwhy would I post about k/d being 0.5? I mean mine currently is ~0.7 in ranked (don't play much pubs, even less pay attention to those stats).
Look at competitions and competition stats - players with k/d over 1.2 are pretty much top of the top, just read the news that s1mple in the latest tournament went 1.51 in one map but he is know as the GOAT aimer in CS:GO... and you are talking about 2?! I mean if your k/d is 2 in ranked games of your highest level then you better be earning money with Apex.
For most FPS players in ANY FPS game, positive k/d is already a success, basically, you then can call yourself as you made it. Not counting public, ffa and other modes of the game where players don't care, have nothing to lose.
For me FPS games are all about competition, if I win by any means, tactics a better player - I am having a great day. I don't care how bad or well others do, how many kills they have, even less so pointless rewards that by now all games have introduced (mindf#%$ tactics if you have read some books on how human brain and modern marketing work).
I actually like that feeling when you come in, know you will be beaten yet time to time you actually prove that feeling to be wrong. And even more so improve during the process and when the time comes to show off skill in a competitive environment - be it in a local LAN party or minor competition where you don't have any prizes - that's what matters to me in FPS games.
If you want to come into competitive spirit BR game without any training, understanding of game dynamics, ability and willingness to teamwork (like most players in Apex sadly, especially pubs) and just point and kill everyone... well I don't know a game where even a single-player provides such experience... Maybe Apex bot lobbies are more suitable for you and people alike?!
What even is this matchmaking anyways?
- @Midnight9746 if this is from Arenas - those are broken since day 1, I personally didn't even try playing them because I kept getting just random games mostly with people like this one the team vs ex BR diamonds and Masters who somehow never landed on my team.
- @EREGDS Those last ones were from normal battle royal
@Sand_spitter That video... I had a feeling that's what they were doing. I've felt like matchmaking purposly was mismatching because like why would I sometimes get level 10 players in ranked arenas and things like that. Also the pattern it has me in for some reason is: lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose x5, win, win, back to losing. Like I can tell when I'm going to win a match due to "SBMM" changing, because almost every single player I come across are absolute bots or noobs and my teammates are actually decent. - @Midnight9746 I mean right? I suspected it before I saw that as well. Go look up EBMM as that fits the description better thinking about it recently, imo. If you really want your mind blown go look up Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment in games. NO proof that it's used here. But it does go to show that nothing is off limits in business.
- @Midnight9746 I have been playing now for 4 days and only once I finished the day (4+h of play usually more than that) with positive total points.
My pattern - 10 loses, 1-3 positive point games, maybe a win here or there.
But to be fair all of those were due to incompetent teammates that were not willing to teamwork or were just not at the skill level to compete, I honestly had maybe 2? Diamond level lobbies during 4 games when in my team I had (useless) season 10 master currently in Platinum 1, but as soon as we lost 1 or 2 games with him lobbies switched back to "normal" with gold players around, and we still lost those maps.
IDK...
I feel like you might see that effect only from Diamond up, where really every mistake or so is being punished, there are more Masters and Preds present...yet I still think that when I get there 50% of the fights will be lost due to bad teamwork from my team's side and very good one from enemies. @Sand_spitter So assuming that video is indeed what Apex is doing (which its quite obvious that it is that), we're being lied to with this message here, as the mismatch of players happens in any mode:
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@Midnight9746I'm not too sure how ranked works tbh, I only know what I know from other comments I've seen. But I've said in the past that lets say someone starts out in Bronze, how do we know that player won't make it all the way to Pred? (basically pred in disguise if we're only looking at his latest rank). Will he be grouped in lobbies of actual similar skill while in Bronze or will he just stomp those lobbies thereby getting out of Bronze quickly? Otherwise what would be the point of "climbing" the ranks if he's already matched with other Preds in Bronze? That would make him stay there forever basically. Personally I just think he'll be stomping his way through and I think where this "similarly skilled" mechanic kicks in in full bloom is when said player keeps grinding a certain league and basically stagnates there or progresses very slowly along with the rest of the players doing the same. It keeps working if everyone keeps grinding at their skill ceiling basically. I could very well be wrong, but that is my understanding of it.
In essence what I mean by that is I think lobbies start out random and gets increasingly similar in skill the higher you go and as time passes.
- @Sand_spitter My highest rank so far is plat, matches in plat are the same as matches in silver and gold. Except the only difference is the players are level 100-300's, instead of level 10-70's, who are stomping on everyone else.
Also to the video you shared about rigged matchmaking, when responding to another thread, this scene from one of the "Stories from the Outlands" came to mind, which now hits differently: https://youtu.be/5_8WHxyW86o?t=29 I don't know if EA/Respawn was hinting at the rigged matchmaking this way, as I'm pretty sure it was mostly for Crypto's background story, but its possible. - @Midnight9746 I noticed that too and find it quite a coincidence lol
Went to que up for rank today, and saw this message, while reading it, I took a screenshot and a match started up anyways. It was very weird.
100,080 / 24h = 4,170 hours and 37 minutes.... lol what?This message shows up everytime I ready up. Matches are still matchmaking though.
This took me into this kind of match:
They need to change their matchmaking and stop making it hell for solo quers.
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