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Awhoo_Thunder
3 years ago

Never gave MM feedback in my 1300hrs, here it is and it is bad.

One of the best games I have ever played with worst matchmaking system Ive ever seen in any video game ever. Staying unchallanged by others for 16 seasons straight. Even Warzone somehow does matchm...
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Unitee01's avatar
Unitee01
3 years ago
@reconzero "I still can't see how this ends in any other way than the top 5% of players winning 95% of all matches" -

Well it's pretty simple. If you worry about the 5%, you would only see them 5% of the time. Which means in most matches you won't see them at all. And if you do, that's fine too 🙂 Point is, this mode gives everyone on the map at least some way to get some kills, as opposed to how it is now, and have everyone fight crazy hard just for 1 kill. New players will lose more, basically, and as you improve, you will win more. AGAIN, this is PUBS. PUBLIC matches, where everyone joins in randomly in a random skilled lobby. Why should there be gatekeeping? We have ranked for similar skill already. What you speak of already exists. You think no mm would make pubs more sweaty, but I think it will make it more casual.

The only players that should be protected are the very new ones who just picked up the game. Also, the top % players would not waste time on pubs...they would naturally gravitate towards ranked anyway..so that 5% drops down even lower on most days. Trust me, noob stomping is boring as hell, which is why better players would gravitate towards ranked anyway. But to be forced to sweat in PUBS 24/7? No one signed up for that and there is 0 reward for doing it.
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reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Unitee01

I respectfully disagree with the math. Top 5% players will, statistically speaking, show up in virtually every match, and probably as a three stack. The two squads of diamond-level players might give them some kind of run for their money, but we still know who wins those engagements all other things being equal. And the other seventeen squads will get kills here and there. As if kills matter in this game. Their win-rates will drop to virtually nothing unless they're lucky enough to get a match without high-level players. I think you make a big mistake if you think that the average low-to-mid-level player is happy as long as they get a kill or two.

"Also, the top % players would not waste time on pubs...they would naturally gravitate towards ranked anyway" "noob stomping is boring as hell"

Uh, what? You tell them that you're taking away sbmm and you think they won't flood unranked matches just so they can shoot the fish in the barrel? I'm pretty sure that some of them would probably never leave pubs. Honestly, once you've got whatever pretty badge they give you, what's the incentive to grind ranked, and then grind it again, and again and again and again? Especially when easy pickins await you elsewhere? I think you might be giving people way too much credit for good sportsmanship. And over-estimating their boredom threshold.
  • Unitee01's avatar
    Unitee01
    3 years ago
    @reconzero No bro, that is where you are wrong. Better players will get bored if they feel the game is too easy. We see this all the time with Destiny. You really think better players are playing mindless rumble or control right now? No, the best players are grinding Trials of Osiris to get the reward. PUBS is a meaningless mode, why would anyone who is in the 5% grind in continuously, mindlessly, with nothing to show for it? Even top level streamers don't do that atm. The rank badge means a lot more than some supposed 1000 season wins. If it were random lobbies all this sweat falls away and it gets easier as you get better, as it should be, assuming you can get better than the average, which is not hard. You, respectfully, wanna keep harping on the fact that "people aren't that good" but fail to realize new players join every day and just like you will undoubtedly get better at the game as time goes on, but suck early on - there will always be someone better and always someone worse. ATM it's only, fight your mirror image or leave - a tough fight. Just think for a moment. The better you get, the better "it" gets with the current system, it's pointless and plays right into "their" pockets because they will keep exploiting it no matter what. For someone that's been doing this for 20 years, do you not notice a difference in sweat in then vs now? I do. And so does many others.
    • reconzero's avatar
      reconzero
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @Unitee01

      I was wrong if I gave the impression that I believe ALL 5%ers want to slaughter new players for fun at all times. I'm sure some don't ever, and others only want to some times. I also think you live in a world of very competitive people, are surrounded by them, play with them, possibly watch them stream a lot. Competitive people have a very difficult time imagining what else could motivate a player besides a predator badge, a cool dive trail, a 4k/20. I'm not trying to suggest that competitive people are actually a minority. I'm sure they're not. I guess what I am trying to say is that they live in a competitive bubble where badges and grinding and improvement play an out-sized role in their world view. Maybe even ARE their world view in its entirety.

      "PUBS is a meaningless mode, why would anyone who is in the 5% grind in continuously, mindlessly, with nothing to show for it?"

      Because for some players gameplay is its own reward. I swear I'm not making this up.

      "No, the best players are grinding Trials of Osiris to get the reward."

      I'm not trying to be patronizing here, but the above is depressing to me. A reward is a check. And for those good enough to earn one through gameplay, my hat is off to you. The rest of us have to decide if it's a game or a job. You know where I stand.

      "If it were random lobbies all this sweat falls away and it gets easier as you get better, as it should be, assuming you can get better than the average, which is not hard."

      Theat statement contains leaps of logic that I just can't make with you.

      "For someone that's been doing this for 20 years, do you not notice a difference in sweat in then vs now?"

      Please expand on this.
      • Unitee01's avatar
        Unitee01
        3 years ago
        @reconzero "PUBS is a meaningless mode, why would anyone who is in the 5% grind in continuously, mindlessly, with nothing to show for it?"

        Because for some players gameplay is its own reward. I swear I'm not making this up.

        - Bro, look at top players. No one is making this into some philosophy. Easy = boring. You should know this. Even I, who is far from pro, find this practice pointless beyond 2 games.

        "No, the best players are grinding Trials of Osiris to get the reward."

        I'm not trying to be patronizing here, but the above is depressing to me. A reward is a check. And for those good enough to earn one through gameplay, my hat is off to you. The rest of us have to decide if it's a game or a job. You know where I stand.

        Bro, why? Why is everything depressing or some other sort of negative with you? It is a reward for the best players, that is all. If that is not you then be without it, peacefully? You want that reward? play said mode, and be prepared to suck at it because the best players want it, the reward is wort it tho. My goodness. Bro. It is a video game, what more do you want?

        "If it were random lobbies all this sweat falls away and it gets easier as you get better, as it should be, assuming you can get better than the average, which is not hard."

        Theat statement contains leaps of logic that I just can't make with you.

        Well sure, you don't have to agree. But my question is why? PVP games have been the sweatiest they have been since, if we take COD for example, since 2017, where lobbies were ping based instead of "skill". Why is "skill" suddenly an issue when it never was? And why on earth would an intelligent person like yourself defend such a manipulative act?

        "For someone that's been doing this for 20 years, do you not notice a difference in sweat in then vs now?"

        Please expand on this.

        Are the games harder is what I am asking? To me, and others, yes. They are noticeably more sweaty, and needlessly so. What purpose does this even serve? You are asking for your sbmm "fairness" and getting it, but no one is happy with it either. It is impossible to balance, so why bother? Let it be random like it was in the past, and let games be better because of the better ping that if gave you.

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