New hero is absolutelly broken.

@Balladalidila

"lol you actually name "missing" and "ads slowdown" and "slow rate of fire" as "risks" which all just are basic properties of a sniper =)"

- Not sure what you are trying to get at here. Her ult is a sniper? Why would it not have these risks? I feel like you're just trying to grasp at anything for an argument into why she's "broken". You say this as if it should not be listed as a risk, yet her ult is a sniper, so it has those risks.

"And honestly; your argument that calling her ult a third gun is "bs" is so strange. It IS a third gun and MUCH more so than Ramparts ult since you can literally take it out and holster it at will with just slightly longer ready-animation than other Snipers. How can you say otherwise?"

- Really don't see how this is any different than Rampart who literally pulls out the best LMG in the game at a slightly longer ready-animation than me pulling out a devotion. You can also take out and holster Sheila at will too. She can even PROVIDE the best LMG to other teammates too. Again, you don't provide much in terms of counter argument. All I see is someone who can't accept they may have had a biased opinion in the beginning. That is the point of conversation, so we can understand each other better. 

"Yes, I would call Ramparts ult a third gun too but the difference is that the rest of Ramparts kit is balancing whatever advantages it is to have a third gun with the properties of Sheila"

- It is like you completely ignored all the things I had to say about changing Vantage's ult. I literally said fixing the threat detection, making her ult only usable once fully charged, making it so her ult doesn't recharge until fully depleted (like Rampart). These things will change and balance the "kit" as you say. 

"I think Vantage kits as a whole is a bit on the strong side since all her abilities are top 3 tier in its categories with little draw backs."

- You have yet to explain HOW you think they have little drawbacks and are top 3 tier. Every time I provide a counter, you ignore it and come up with some other random thing completely irrelevant like "those aren't risks cause those apply to all snipers" which as stated before are still risks because guess what her ult is a sniper. 

You gotta provide more than just these simple statements. I provide use case examples (ie revealing location, dont run in straight line, etc) to why I think she is not broken and too strong. Never once have you said "When I was vantage, I was able to wipe a whole squad with my ult alone" or something along those lines like "I was able to wall hack with her passive" (Which we've agreed to being broken, should only work in smoke/gas)

They should have named her Advantage  : )

@NickBeam27 

First, I have to admit that I feel that her OP:ness is significantly more noticeable on KC than World edge and Storm point. And maybe its more due to my individual set of skills rather than something thats objectively true but I think this is because the distance between different POIs are much shorter in KC, so when you for instance third party a fight as Vantage, you usually come up to the fight at a distance where its basically point and click, i.e no travel time compensation etc. But once again; perhaps thats just me but Ive landed so many 4k+ damage  as Vantage. Before, I had like maybe 10 4k games in total since the first week of Apex release but I think Ive had 5 4K dmg games on Vantage since she was released. 

So bottom line; I dont think her that OP on the other map. If they just adjusted her passive to not detect enemies through obstacle or just by sweeping passed them, then I think she is strong but not too OP.

And I totally agree with your point that Respawns legend design seems to be focused on making legends that compensate for necciseray Apex skills. Its like they are thinking "oh so some player are bad at spotting enemies; lets make a legend that does that for them ", or like you mentioned : "oh some players have a hard time mastering sniping; lets make a legend that does that for them" =)

IMO, this game should be 80% about your aim skills, movement skills, your wits/game IQ and your game sense where abilities just adds the icing to the cake so to speak. I hate if this game become more like Overwatch where the abillites is the main focus. And yeah the reveal meta is stupid. 

ps.

Just also realized that on my two last 4k+ dmg games with Vantage, I had surprisingly low kill count. Btw, I NEVER play with a sniper or marksman. I usually go R99, PK, Wingman, L-star or R301 in some combination and I use the ULT as a long/mid distance third gun. But perhaps is this high dmg low kills an "indication" that her ULT indeed is very powerful. Because in my experience, its SO easy to 2 or 3 tap someone from long distance with her Ult, too far away to always be able to secure the kill but still an easy 4-600 extra damage before even entering the fight.

Vantage has made a sniper or marksman mandatory this season.  If you aren't Vantage,, you absolutely must be able to counter snipe her and spot enemies at long range..  Shotguns are basically obsolete as an unintended consequence, too.

The rock, paper, scissors balance of the game gets thrown out of balance and makes certain. Legends useless.  IMO, that is too much of a shake up to the meta.

Vantage's abilities need to be modified to bring skill back in.  If your are a good sniper, you should be a good Vantage.  Your legend choice shouldn't make anyone better at core skill, like aiming, either.

@HappyHourSumwur @NickBeam27 

Just wait. Soon there will be a legend with aim assist as a passive since Respawn will think "Oh some players cant trace aim, lets make a legend that does that for them" =)