Pathfinder Nerf!? Excessive!
15 seconds to 35 seconds for his Q... It's not April Fool's again right? That's actually absurd. I could see you guys nerfing it to 20 seconds. I mean that's reasonable but doubling its activat...
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He did need a slight nerf but this was way to much. And people saying this makes him even with wraith are freaking high AF. Wraith is the number one picked legend. Which is evidence that she's better otherwise she wouldn't get picked. And so path gets a nerf but wraith doesnt? She needed a nerf more than anyone else and she hasn't got one. Shes needed one for months and still hasn't got one.
@JDOGMcFUZZL TF DO YOU MEAN "but wraith doesnt"??????
Wraith is the MOST NERFED LEGEND IN THE GAME, She moves like a SLUG, she has 0 SPEED BOOST, her phase time has been reduced to like 4 seconds, she still dies after activating her tactical, she can be taken out of her tactical, SHE ACTUALLY HAS A HEAD TO SHOOT, what more do I need to say???
Let's look at the pros and * of pathfinder before the nerf.
- It was impossible to chase him because every 12-15 seconds he used his grapple
- It was IMPOSSIBLE to lose him because he would just grapple to you, if you managed to move to the next building, you could pop off 1 shield cell max before he would be IN THE SAME ROOM AS YOU, in Worlds Edge lol good luck loosing him cause that aint happening
- His hitbox is in-existent
- His head his in-existent
- He could dodge shots without even trying
- He could travel the map twice as fast as every other character
- He could get to any high ground and out of reach places
- He could transport his team WHEREVER they wanted to be
- He could easily get to his teammates if they needed help
There are SO MANY ISSUES with him and you are all crying that he got nerfed from 15 to 35? They could have reduced the momentum he gains, that would have destroyed his character, but they didn't because that is what makes him fun.
Now PF is on the same playing field as others, you can't just mindlessly use his grapple all day long and not expect any type of repercussions, now you have to SLIGHTLY THINK about when you need to use it midfight,
I would also like to add that its FUNNY how people think PF's grapple needs "skill" lmao whats so hard about shooting a grapple against a wall and pressing x after a split second and turning your screen one direction so you fling up into the air? MUST BE SO HARD.
FYI, wraith is the most picked because 1 she is small hitbox, 2 she looks nice, 3 she feels fast to use, 4 she has a nice voice along with nice voicelines, 5 she has nice skins, 6 she can take her entire team along with her to any location midfight, 7 she can leave a fight as fast as she entered it, there are more pros as well as * BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE CAN'T DIE because of it, YOUR AIM JUST SUCKS. I can kill a wraith just fine, so I don't see why others cant.
Wraith is the MOST NERFED LEGEND IN THE GAME, She moves like a SLUG, she has 0 SPEED BOOST, her phase time has been reduced to like 4 seconds, she still dies after activating her tactical, she can be taken out of her tactical, SHE ACTUALLY HAS A HEAD TO SHOOT, what more do I need to say???
Let's look at the pros and * of pathfinder before the nerf.
- It was impossible to chase him because every 12-15 seconds he used his grapple
- It was IMPOSSIBLE to lose him because he would just grapple to you, if you managed to move to the next building, you could pop off 1 shield cell max before he would be IN THE SAME ROOM AS YOU, in Worlds Edge lol good luck loosing him cause that aint happening
- His hitbox is in-existent
- His head his in-existent
- He could dodge shots without even trying
- He could travel the map twice as fast as every other character
- He could get to any high ground and out of reach places
- He could transport his team WHEREVER they wanted to be
- He could easily get to his teammates if they needed help
There are SO MANY ISSUES with him and you are all crying that he got nerfed from 15 to 35? They could have reduced the momentum he gains, that would have destroyed his character, but they didn't because that is what makes him fun.
Now PF is on the same playing field as others, you can't just mindlessly use his grapple all day long and not expect any type of repercussions, now you have to SLIGHTLY THINK about when you need to use it midfight,
I would also like to add that its FUNNY how people think PF's grapple needs "skill" lmao whats so hard about shooting a grapple against a wall and pressing x after a split second and turning your screen one direction so you fling up into the air? MUST BE SO HARD.
FYI, wraith is the most picked because 1 she is small hitbox, 2 she looks nice, 3 she feels fast to use, 4 she has a nice voice along with nice voicelines, 5 she has nice skins, 6 she can take her entire team along with her to any location midfight, 7 she can leave a fight as fast as she entered it, there are more pros as well as * BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE CAN'T DIE because of it, YOUR AIM JUST SUCKS. I can kill a wraith just fine, so I don't see why others cant.
Great post with a few exception.
Wraith teleport gives her 25% speed boost, and her Phase actually give her speed boost as well. I don`t know what game you actually playing to not notice this things.I was explaining the same thing to 3 or 4 Wraith mains, that were in delusion that she does not get a speed boost.
Wow dude your so good! It's so easy for you, but maybe not for others.
Fact is it doesn't operate itself. You need to plan ahead to use it properly and the odds of you messing it up are pretty good. Like I said it's high risk sometimes high reward. I've played path since day one so maybe I know a little. And yes, the basic concept of using his grap is easy, but being able to apply it In real time situations when tension is high and there's multiple teams around is very difficult to use in a way that helps the team and doesn't get you killed.
His abilities are useless Indoors and there is high chance for user error every grapple. He is the only legend with either of these issues.
They need to buff other legends to "catch up" that's fine and a while other story but nerfing path wasn't the way.
This really got me thinking on the state of this game and how its changed over time. The original idea for this game was great, but what it has become is not as much fun for me. All this game ever needed was to fix the sound/hit reg. A lot of times less is more and in apexs case this is definitely true for me.
When they released the original map last season for that 2 day limited event I realized how much better the flow of the game was. It played like how it was originally designed. The design has been altered so much it no longer resembles its original self. All the changes to the maps, added weapons and legends, I dont like any of it honestly and i know some do and that's great but for the most part I feel like changes are made not for the game itself but to create a hype for new players to pump out that profit.
Beta apex > current state
You are writing the same stuff, Wraith player was written after the nerfs she get, and guess what she is still a top 2(still don`t know how strong Loba is, so maybe top 3), and she is still picked 99,99% of the time from every single team.
Path is the other one. He was clearly a number 1 pick, after the last Wraith nerf, and he is still top 3 legend for sure. At worst, if we add Gibralter and Caustic(newly buffed) he is top 5.
And top 5 out of 12 is great. And even more great that he is a top 2 pick, from the very beginning.You were happy to abuse a legend, thats the reason. But other people who used other legends wasn`t happy. There was all over the place threads with Pathfiner grapple cd nerf, and people finally get what they want. It is well deserved nerf, its not even nerf, but tuning down an OP tactical, that has insanely little cd. On paper it make look harsh from 15 to 35, but they got it right.
They actually let it stay for too long with that short cd.
The game is a shooter after all, and this should be most important thing. Abilities are there to help for certain situation and for building strategy, but not to be abused, being completely OP and to be a game changer, as it was the case for so long with Pathfinder grapple and Wraith phase.
And every legend has it + and -. Many legends are useless inside. Some are beneficial from inside play, and other from outside, like the Path. Caustic is useless outside for example. So your point can`t stand the case.
Bangalore ultimate for example is completely garbage and she can use it only on outside, you know this ?
Pathfinder was too much of a pain, and 20 or 25 seconds wouldn`t change that. You should not be allowed to escape a fight multiple times.
Whether or not the nerf brings balance is of secondary importance IMHO.
What matters most is that grappling is fun(arguably the most fun ability in Apex), and reducing its use is to reduce fun.
Not a good direction to go.
@MoNosDirtyGaming wrote:
@JDOGMcFUZZLTF DO YOU MEAN "but wraith doesnt"??????
Wraith is the MOST NERFED LEGEND IN THE GAME, She moves like a SLUG, she has 0 SPEED BOOST, her phase time has been reduced to like 4 seconds, she still dies after activating her tactical, she can be taken out of her tactical, SHE ACTUALLY HAS A HEAD TO SHOOT, what more do I need to say???
Let's look at the pros and * of pathfinder before the nerf.
- It was impossible to chase him because every 12-15 seconds he used his grapple
- It was IMPOSSIBLE to lose him because he would just grapple to you, if you managed to move to the next building, you could pop off 1 shield cell max before he would be IN THE SAME ROOM AS YOU, in Worlds Edge lol good luck loosing him cause that aint happening
- His hitbox is in-existent
- His head his in-existent
- He could dodge shots without even trying
- He could travel the map twice as fast as every other character
- He could get to any high ground and out of reach places
- He could transport his team WHEREVER they wanted to be
- He could easily get to his teammates if they needed help+500
- It was impossible to chase him because every 12-15 seconds he used his grapple
Battles dont usually even last this long unless fighting multiple teams or getting 3rd partied so rip.
And why are you chasing anyways? If he leaves then the team is down a man, or they are already dead.
- It was IMPOSSIBLE to lose him because he would just grapple to you, if you managed to move to the next building, you could pop off 1 shield cell max before he would be IN THE SAME ROOM AS YOU, in Worlds Edge lol good luck loosing him cause that aint happening
Very situation and easily be applied to every character that can move. Are you by yourself? Because I'm not going to push at you other wise. Turns out flying at a whole squad is a bad idea even if one is weak and healing.
- His hitbox is in-existent
- His head his in-existentEvery character hit reg is in constant, it's part of the game and likely due to server and connection issues, same as sound.
- He could dodge shots without even tryingThis makes no sense. The only dodging I see is crouch spammers. This is a handy cap some rely on because they lose if they dont manipulate the mechanic.
- He could travel the map twice as fast as every other characterSo? And wheres my team in this case? Not with me apparently so easy kill for you.
Take a balloon.
- He could get to any high ground and out of reach placesThat's basically it... although its definitely not out of reach and you have to actively do it and not mess it up. Again this is very situational and usually easy to avoid this being an issue if you just play smart. Also in many cases it leaves you very vulnerable from other angles. Not to mention how easy user error is, which no other legend has to deal with to just use your tactical.
This is the main reason he needs a short cool down on grapple because it's so easy to mess up and very high risk. It doesn't just work like wraiths ability, you need to first know where you want to grapple to, what to look at to grap on to and hope it's in distance, not screw up the technique and hope you land it in a safe spot.
No other legend has such risk to their abaility and none of them require you to practice and perfect a technique and on top of that learn the map so you know where to grapple to. All of this while trying to manage your nerves during battle.
- He could transport his team WHEREVER they wanted to be.Very situational and not wherever but yea, ride my zip toward that team, that'll work out nice.
- He could easily get to his teammates if they needed help
They are usually dead by then in that particular senario so yea big help.
I still know people who since the beginning of the game still cant even launch on the grap properly or consistantly. I've used it since day one and I mess it up more than once every game. So there is a learning curve not present for any other legend.
And good luck to those who aren't used to using him, better have good map knowledge and get that technique just right because if your angle is just slightly off or jump slightly off cue your done.
The Last thing I'll say unless I read something crazy.
When my teammates die they tell me sometimes it's more fun to watch me escape the other teams when they are dead than actually play. They will no lie say when this happens " idk how you do it, I've tried but cant get it down." Even that they would like to play him but always fail in game and it discourages them.
But I'll be honest, I've never once escaped from actual good players. Only disorganized "average" players. And the only reason I can do this, sometimes, is how many hours I've pumped into the game; giving me the advantage of map knowledge, battle scenarios, situational awareness and lots and lots of muscles memory in the technique.
The learning curve is real. It's worth to note that I play on console, so perhaps on MkB it's a lot easier to do but I've played shooters and many other games for over 15 years and it took time to learn and develop his ability to actually function as part of the team. His ability above anything else was staying alive, which is very fun and challenging to say the least. I'm sad to let it go.
@ZergSquad wrote:
@MoNosDirtyGaming wrote:
@JDOGMcFUZZLTF DO YOU MEAN "but wraith doesnt"??????
Wraith is the MOST NERFED LEGEND IN THE GAME, She moves like a SLUG, she has 0 SPEED BOOST, her phase time has been reduced to like 4 seconds, she still dies after activating her tactical, she can be taken out of her tactical, SHE ACTUALLY HAS A HEAD TO SHOOT, what more do I need to say???
Let's look at the pros and * of pathfinder before the nerf.
- It was impossible to chase him because every 12-15 seconds he used his grapple
- It was IMPOSSIBLE to lose him because he would just grapple to you, if you managed to move to the next building, you could pop off 1 shield cell max before he would be IN THE SAME ROOM AS YOU, in Worlds Edge lol good luck loosing him cause that aint happening
- His hitbox is in-existent
- His head his in-existent
- He could dodge shots without even trying
- He could travel the map twice as fast as every other character
- He could get to any high ground and out of reach places
- He could transport his team WHEREVER they wanted to be
- He could easily get to his teammates if they needed help+500
True Post, please don't bring back the cancer Pathfinder 35 second cooldown is adequate.
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