Quit Punishment
There needs to be a quit punishment of some kind in this game, or a reward for people who stay in the game. I've had so many games where teammates quit in all sorts of times during a match. Just this...
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It would still be a br. The main features of a br are fighting, exploring, scavenging last man standing...to elimante scavenging would not destroy nor change the genre in a big way except to eliminate luck from the equation.
As i stated earlier in POKER you decide whether to play your hand or not. If I a crap hand followed by a crap flop I'm gone. unless I DECIDE to play my luck for the turn/river/bluff opponents...should I do the equivalent of poker play in a br? Crap two guns like Mozzy/p2020 ( crap down cards in Holdem )...if my opponents push ( raise all in would be the poker equivalent) should I fight ( call in poker ) or should I quit ( fold in poker )? In poker I would fold . So I should quit the game if I get crap loot ( cards )...cool thanks for the advice...
I am also in favor of sbmm...I'm also in favor of solos/ duos as it would completely eliminate the chance of getting a high lvl troll or XP advanced teammate depending on how they choose to define "skill"... Almost every br will rank a 0 win 10kd player above a 2 kd 50% win player...sorry it's just the way it is. I could never willingly classify a end game cherry picker as more skilled than a 10kd player...the cherry picker will lose to the 10kd 99/100 provided the meet under even circumstances. The cherry picker is more efficient and makes choices better suited toward winning but he is not BETTER than the 10kd player...
But the whole reason I responded was to answer your question as to why brs get no respect . It has been and will be until the removal of rng that brs are largely dictated and influenced by luck. Just the way it is
@DontSilenceMe wrote:It would still be a br. The main features of a br are fighting, exploring, scavenging last man standing...to elimante scavenging would not destroy nor change the genre in a big way except to eliminate luck from the equation.
As i stated earlier in POKER you decide whether to play your hand or not. If I a crap hand followed by a crap flop I'm gone. unless I DECIDE to play my luck for the turn/river/bluff opponents...should I do the equivalent of poker play in a br? Crap two guns like Mozzy/p2020 ( crap down cards in Holdem )...if my opponents push ( raise all in would be the poker equivalent) should I fight ( call in poker ) or should I quit ( fold in poker )? In poker I would fold . So I should quit the game if I get crap loot ( cards )...cool thanks for the advice...
I am also in favor of sbmm...I'm also in favor of solos/ duos as it would completely eliminate the chance of getting a high lvl troll or XP advanced teammate depending on how they choose to define "skill"... Almost every br will rank a 0 win 10kd player above a 2 kd 50% win player...sorry it's just the way it is. I could never willingly classify a end game cherry picker as more skilled than a 10kd player...the cherry picker will lose to the 10kd 99/100 provided the meet under even circumstances. The cherry picker is more efficient and makes choices better suited toward winning but he is not BETTER than the 10kd player...
But the whole reason I responded was to answer your question as to why brs get no respect . It has been and will be until the removal of rng that brs are largely dictated and influenced by luck. Just the way it is
scavenging what. you said everyone will have the same gear. if you mean just before dropping whats they difference. everyone can melee before the drop.
Dude you are still playing the game. You lose money in the pot from the ante or calling or bluffing... before folding regardless.
well if I had to choose one I would say ranked and unranked modes over solo. if they can do that too fine there is plenty players in this game.
Ad for respecting BR's. IN your case you already stated its cause playing it the way its meant to be played is too boring to you. Well i bet golf and chess are boring to you too. But they are respected by many others. The problem with e-sports is that unlike 100s of years of people getting to know and respect those other games, people will not a try respect new game thats not even respected by the players playing it.
Ugh...ok man here ya go...
If there is not looting there is no luck in this game...it is purely skill based...no " he got a pk" rages...
If you wanna equate a br to poker then time is your currency for a br. You put in time to drop (ante)...if your drop loot sucks ( down cards) then quit ( fold ) ... You've lost 1 min of time ( ante)...start the next game... Like your drop loot ( down cards ) play out the game...not hard to understand
We don't disagree on ranked...solo option would be a step further as I have 0 chance of getting a skilled troll...
I'm actually a pro golfer sporting a 0.2 handicap while injured for the past 5 yrs...I also am very good at chess. I play both aggressively as well...I will try to and succeed at driving any particular 4 under 350 yards from the tips as my AVERAGE drive is 335 yards with a swing speed of 127+...I don't know what a punch out is either...every shot I hit is intended to go into the hole...does it always work out? Nope...but that's how I play...
I'm sorry you don't want the truth but it IS that brs aren't respected because they are heavily luck based AND the skill gap is almost always controlled by devs to allow for the largest play audience. This is why cs:go and ttf2 and bf have smaller player bases than apex and fortnite...the shotty spam build bloom combo has turned competitive fortnite into a joke...there's 0 action until end game because its inefficient...
If youre looking for a slow play game why play brs? Why not play siege or hardcore playlist on other fps titles?
Do you really want everyone to take this mentality? It will destroy the game. If everyone played with this low risk mentality there would be 15 teams in the final circle you'd get that apex syrup start for the end game...sounds fun. Game can barely handle 5 teams in skull town let alone 10 teams in a single 20m radius.
Ugh ok man...here ya go...
No looting no luck...purely skill based
If you wanna equate a br to poker then time is your currency equivalent in a br...invest the time to drop ( ante )...don't like your drop loot ( down cards ) then quit ( fold )...start a new game...drop again ( ante ) like your loot ( down cards ) play the game ( call/check )...
We agree on ranked...solo would ensure that I don't get a skilled troll as a squad mates ...
I'm actually a pro golfer sporting a 0.2 handicap the past 5 yrs while battling a shoulder injury ( torn labrum and rhomboid )...I also play chess very well...I play both agressively...I attempt to drive every par 4 and attack every pin regardless on where it is or where I'm playing my current shot from...
You asked why brs get no respect...I've explained it numerous times. There is too much luck involved in brs to ever be respected as skilled games...play cs or siege if you want slow play. I've never heard anyone brag about a 1 kill dub in fortnite...if I wanted to run around and collect things for 20 mins I would play a mmo or wow or some other tedious lvling crafting collecting game...the truth is there's 60 ppl who drop and my goal is to kill as many as possible...winning is a plus but I'd rather have a 10k 6th place than a 0k 2nd...
@DontSilenceMe wrote:Ugh ok man...here ya go...
No looting no luck...purely skill based
If you wanna equate a br to poker then time is your currency equivalent in a br...invest the time to drop ( ante )...don't like your drop loot ( down cards ) then quit ( fold )...start a new game...drop again ( ante ) like your loot ( down cards ) play the game ( call/check )...
We agree on ranked...solo would ensure that I don't get a skilled troll as a squad mates ...
I'm actually a pro golfer sporting a 0.2 handicap the past 5 yrs while battling a shoulder injury ( torn labrum and rhomboid )...I also play chess very well...I play both agressively...I attempt to drive every par 4 and attack every pin regardless on where it is or where I'm playing my current shot from...
You asked why brs get no respect...I've explained it numerous times. There is too much luck involved in brs to ever be respected as skilled games...play cs or siege if you want slow play. I've never heard anyone brag about a 1 kill dub in fortnite...if I wanted to run around and collect things for 20 mins I would play a mmo or wow or some other tedious lvling crafting collecting game...the truth is there's 60 ppl who drop and my goal is to kill as many as possible...winning is a plus but I'd rather have a 10k 6th place than a 0k 2nd...
SO then what are they scavenging?
The reason BR is like poker, is because some amount of luck is involved for the win. period.
SO you don't claim chess is too boring and demand pieces taken count for points? lol I find this hard to believe given your short attention span with BR's. You probably play autochess lmao... OR Unforunately, you are like alot of athletes who just don't consider video games a sport or as respectable as other well established games and sports.
You gave your opinion I gave mine. Poker is well respected. So I disagree that BR is not because luck is involved. I never played fortnite. But your team is not getting a 1 kill win in Apex lol. This is quite the stretch. Yes looting in this game is very much like an mmorpg. SO what? That is actually fun people apparently its not fun for you. And 2nd place versus the win is a huge difference imo. Thats why I don't like PGL's pubg rules of giving points per placement. Wins should be a huge reward compared to 2nd place. They gives points for 8th place which is even crazier. I have 100's of 2nd place finishes in apex. But only a handful of wins, cause that last fight is what matters. But then again the top 3 finishes for apex esl rules make sense. Cause when watching the pro lobbies its a different ballgame. it usually comes down to 4 teams in the end and it gets super intense.Maybe you should focus more on being less aggressive at times. It doesn't serve well to be aggressive in every situation in golf or BR games or even arena shooters which are far more fast paced than either. Sounding a bit ignorant. Again, the poker anagoly is seriously just not even close. Golf is no closer. The only reason I care about how you play because the reason this is posted... IT'S A TEAM GAME... right now. You coming on here saying "I play this way" makes you sound foolish. If you were complaining stricting of always literally having more skill thats one thing but you're complaining about pretty much BRs in general??? Please go find an anti BR thread or say something constructive please.
@TheeRealist wrote:Maybe you should focus more on being less aggressive at times. It doesn't serve well to be aggressive in every situation in golf or BR games or even arena shooters which are far more fast paced than either. Sounding a bit ignorant. Again, the poker anagoly is seriously just not even close. Golf is no closer. The only reason I care about how you play because the reason this is posted... IT'S A TEAM GAME... right now. You coming on here saying "I play this way" makes you sound foolish. If you were complaining stricting of always literally having more skill thats one thing but you're complaining about pretty much BRs in general??? Please go find an anti BR thread or say something constructive please.
Thats why he is demanding a solo queue. But thats no reason to ruin the matches for those going for the W and playing as a team. Thats quite selfish actually.
Agreed. Saying he shouldn't be punished for not playing as a team in a team game is selfish and childish.
I've yet to complain about the way anyone plays...
AGAIN....the question was why aren't brs respected...the answer is they are not skill based...I'm sorry if you don't like that or feel nobody cares about winning your way but most don't...most seasoned fps players care more for high kill games over low kill W's...evident by the fact that 3/4 of every lobby hot drops to a local straight down, left or right. I'm sorry you don't like how the game is played but it is played that way because NOBODY enjoys looting...
THIS IS THE ANSWER...I don't know what language I have to type it in...brs are not respected on the same competitive platform as other games BECAUSE OF RNG....
bit to say " I play this way" makes me sound foolish is hypocritical since you are doing the same exact thing...
You are LITERALLY telling me that since I don't slow play brs and play them selfishly and aggressively that I'm playing them wrong.
What is stopping you from grabbing a gun and following me? Nothing except your idea of how the game should be played. I play it my way and you play it your way. Yet I'm sure I'll see a response as to why YOUR WAY is correct and MY way is wrong...pls post the hypocrisy...I'll be waiting
Funny. Not 1 time did I comment on my play style in my post. Hard to consider that hypocritical. To point out the other person's point is that poker is similar to rng. That's respected. Different level though. Again, if you only want direct fair battles every time go play a competitive arena shooter like unreal with actual tournament rules and see how well you fair in a fast paced, even environment and stop playing BRs. Good luck, sounds like you'll need it! Something tells me you would quit even more in that environment.
I think your confusing the meaning of my words. I never said this game has to be straight up fair battles. It would be nice. It would be fun. It appears I've also misunderstood when you said this is a team game. I took this as though you were implying my style is not team play. Either way this game forces someone to compromise. Either the aggressor or the "strategist"...but a camper isn't willing to push and a pusher isnt willing to camp...so we're at a dead end... You chose not to push and lost a teammate. I chose not to camp and cost the team a player. Better to leave and q anew.
YET AGAIN...that is the answer to the original question I answered. " Why are brs not respected?" Because of rng. Plain and simple
Why would I quit in a fair play 1v1 scenario? If I get out played I get out played...gg...next game.
@DontSilenceMe wrote:I've yet to complain about the way anyone plays...
AGAIN....the question was why aren't brs respected...the answer is they are not skill based...I'm sorry if you don't like that or feel nobody cares about winning your way but most don't...most seasoned fps players care more for high kill games over low kill W's...evident by the fact that 3/4 of every lobby hot drops to a local straight down, left or right. I'm sorry you don't like how the game is played but it is played that way because NOBODY enjoys looting...
THIS IS THE ANSWER...I don't know what language I have to type it in...brs are not respected on the same competitive platform as other games BECAUSE OF RNG....
bit to say " I play this way" makes me sound foolish is hypocritical since you are doing the same exact thing...
You are LITERALLY telling me that since I don't slow play brs and play them selfishly and aggressively that I'm playing them wrong.
What is stopping you from grabbing a gun and following me? Nothing except your idea of how the game should be played. I play it my way and you play it your way. Yet I'm sure I'll see a response as to why YOUR WAY is correct and MY way is wrong...pls post the hypocrisy...I'll be waiting
Any game you are not playing to WIN is wrong. And if you want to go solo in a team game thats selfish. Especially when other players on your team are playing to WIN. You constantly repeat that BR's are not a respected e-sport, which is basically saying you don't have respect for the game. SO you yourself are admitting you are not playing it the way it was intended and don't feel you should have to.
Once again, RNG is another word for luck of the draw, and Poker requires even more luck then a BR game, yet it is well respected as a professional game that still requires skill to be successful and consistent. I just use this analogy because I can't think of any other game that has more "luck" involved. You play the hand your dealt.I play to win that's why I have 20+ wins and under 50 kills on on most characters. You're cowboy way of playing just makes you a bad teammate.
Whatever you say bud. I've realized your just too dense...
YOU asked why they aren't respected...I gave you the answer...I'm sorry you don't like the truth and can only win camping...I'm sorry you can't hang with the big boys and catch slay out dubs.
Your saying I play wrong and to force my play style on the team is wrong yet you say for me to play your way is right? Just get better buddy and then you can catch high kill wins too...
You keep posting your same stupid poker analogy that I've already destroyed multiple times. And if you really on luck in poker Id gladly take your money any time. Probably even make you fold a few boats. Poker is more about playing the players.
If you don't want the truth why ask? Brs the way you play are boring. Who the heck wants to crouch walk for 20min to die at the end...get off your " I play to win" high horse. Truth of the matter is you most likely play this way because your reaction time is laxed and your gunplay is mediocre. Anyone with great aim plays aggressively because they trust they can outshoot the other guy.
Quit crying that you can't find anybody to camp with you...
And FYI wins will most likely not even be in any form a sbmm calculation. Most games base skill heavily off of kd. Truth of the matter is wins are easier to get than high kill games...
I'm sorry again...your idea of ideal br game play would drive the genre into the ground...
I've never camped. I have the stream recordings to prove it. (not that IGAF to show you) You are just a terrible teammate. That's all. This thread isn't even debating that. Go tke your tryhard attitude somewhere else and lets get back on topic.
Thanks...I guess that's why my cowboy play has gotten me 100+ wins close to 2k kills and a 30% top 3 rate...and a 10% win rate...
The camp statement wasn't at you...
- *looks around*
Still none caring..... Yet you replied...
@DontSilenceMe wrote:The camp statement wasn't at you...
I don't camp either. You just make assumptions. And I only wanted your opinion on why you think BR"s aren't respected. I have my own , and you unwittingly confirmed them for me. You don't think video games are as respectable as athletic sports, and you think BR's are boring if playing only to win. You keep bringing up RNG to deny these facts. You're only lying to yourself.
IMO, Quitting is selfish and considered cheating in a skill matched or ranked game. You don't think so because you have no respect for the game, which you admit. So why play it? Thats some serious entitlement issues.
You have a 100 wins with full squad? How many games played? lol, You're a professional golfer and a high level chess player? Ya I believe you. /sarcasm.You are the one assuming bud. I said BRS aren't respected...
Sure quitting in a sbmm environment is cheating...is this a game with sbmm? I think not...
I have 100+ wins and 10% with rate...you can do the math poker player...
You don't wanna believe my irl resume that's fine...I don't really care...I know it's true and so do the ppl that know me.
The real point of this thread is that your mad that ppl quit and don't play the way YOU feel is correct. Difference is I don't care how YOU play...if I realize we are of a different mindset I'm leaving...just like you won't change to play how pushers play why should I change and play how "strategist" play?
@DontSilenceMe wrote:You are the one assuming bud. I said BRS aren't respected...
Sure quitting in a sbmm environment is cheating...is this a game with sbmm? I think not...
I have 100+ wins and 10% with rate...you can do the math poker player...
You don't wanna believe my irl resume that's fine...I don't really care...I know it's true and so do the ppl that know me.
The real point of this thread is that your mad that ppl quit and don't play the way YOU feel is correct. Difference is I don't care how YOU play...if I realize we are of a different mindset I'm leaving...just like you won't change to play how pushers play why should I change and play how "strategist" play?
Still selfish to the other players trying to win, whether officially penalized or not.
I don't know what 10% with rate means. And how do you come up with that number? Just look at your stats, its recorded in the game, no need to guesstimate anything. Is that what you did with your pro golf stats too? Link us something to prove it. Or not, I don't care either lol.
I'm mad people don't play to WIN, and ruin matches for others that are. I'm mad people don't play the game as intended by the developers and game designers. Which is playing as a team to WIN!! Maybe you do play chess and golf since you are not a teamplayer at all, and don't understand how team games work.This game would benefit A LOT from a quit penalty, like an x minute lockout. However, Respawn would need to fix all the crash issues first. Nothing more frustrating than crashing and finding yourself locked out after. If they ever get to that point though, I'm 100% in favor of a penalty / lockout.
If you're going to queue up, play the round. If you don't want to play, don't * queue. Someone else picking your legend or getting to a good weapon first are not valid reasons to quit, nor is the jumpmaster choosing a location you don't like. You know all these things can happen before you hit that READY button. If you're not OK with that, don't click READY. Ruining someone elses round because you didn't get what you want is childish and toxic, and the fact that this happens all the time does not promote a healthy game environment.10% win rate...I win 1 out of ten matches...i have 250 games with wraith and 25 wins with 70 top 3 finishes...so I finish top 3 every 4 games and win every 10...but sure I don't mind linking my stats...
What about the politicians that quit on the people for important life altering decisions, Yet you want a punishment system that would not be able to distinguish between the good and bad, the only way to have filter that can determine these things is to read peoples minds.
How do you know that the person that quit at that specific point received a call to go to work for an emergency you don't because you're being a petulant child about this, How can you determine that some person disconnecting is not because of a tree hitting their power line and killing their connection you don't because you're being pedantic and selfish, What means did you use to establish that the person quit ? When it could simply be a Driver fault at X memory region that affected their game running and triggered fault unknown and CTD you can't know these things and you don't because this is a narrow sighted thread.
If you'd read any other posts you will see that there are people who get disconnected at specific points and it may well be their fault but they don't comprehend that the $50 usb headsets driver is causing conflicts and being triggered by some part of the audio engine in game and having a memory leak with only 8gb of ram on a low end cpu with low end gpu this gives them 5 minutes of play in some titles using X renderer or because of the way a certain engine requested a memory clean up and their drivers are not really compliant because it's all very CHEAP.
@DontSilenceMe wrote:
10% win rate...I win 1 out of ten matches...i have 250 games with wraith and 25 wins with 70 top 3 finishes...so I finish top 3 every 4 games and win every 10...but sure I don't mind linking my stats...
https://apex.tracker.gg/profile/xbl/KingSmoothie8
I meant your pro golf stats lol... But I was joking, you could just link anybody's stats.
I'd say your stats are about avg for a solo queue player if those are yours. can only imagine if you actually played with a team. Regardless, whether you are a pro athlete or an above avg player, you don' have special entitlements, and quitting on your team is selfish and unsportsmanlike.Unfortunately it appears as though respawn and ea want to keep this game casual so I doubt we'll ever get solo or sbmm. As long as the game remains casual and lobbies are crap I don't see a need or reason for a quit punishment.
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