Re: Gun Recoil

Bruv, flatline has a * horizontal recoil, havoc has a punch recoil at the start , volt has R9 recoil BUUUT at a different fire rate (that's why i'm still having trouble with it) and for thse people these guns just shake , shake a little bit, ALL OF THEM, IN THE SAME WAY......... COME ON

I used to control the r99 for about 80% of the recoil , i thought about a strategy to get my muscle memory to shoot only 80% of the mag and do a combat reload but wait, THEY DON'T EVEN DO THESE THINGS... think about * like this.

That's why I keep coming with new solutions for myself as much as i can and i thought i was insane, no , it only looks fishy it actually isn't they have 10 years of FPS GAMES and i have not played FPS games for over a decade (was a world of warcraft bloke) so i must be rust, I'm 31 years old, my reaction time is just slowing down due to age... * ! my reaction time is increasing by the day, if i had the budget to get a 240hz system+ dual monitor I am sure my reaction time would be even higher , and now I realize that I was lying to myself when I thought those things.

I am not a great player, since i've started in season 3 (played for about 20 games before season 3 between all seasons) i've increased my kdr 3 times, and this season i've stayed at almost 2.0 kdr so still improving, there's ways to go , and i am not insane but what i've said in my last reply is real, there are posibilities of punishment, without risking the playerbase from twitch or youtube leaving the game because a streamer left, when aceu left... not everyone left lol... every time he comes online on apex his viewerbase explodes because there are so many players that play apex that enjoy how aceu plays... so that's a mute point also. We just need an asnwer, some attention ... can we expect at any point that SCRIPTING / MACROING / USING ANY THIRD PARTY APP (even logitech ones, or my cheap * mouse T-Dagger has an app that controls its settings and allows macroing and such) gets punished if used wrongfully ?

Bruv, flatline has a * horizontal recoil, havoc has a punch recoil at the start , volt has R9 recoil BUUUT at a different fire rate (that's why i'm still having trouble with it) and for thse people these guns just shake , shake a little bit, ALL OF THEM, IN THE SAME WAY......... COME ON

I used to control the r99 for about 80% of the recoil , i thought about a strategy to get my muscle memory to shoot only 80% of the mag and do a combat reload but wait, THEY DON'T EVEN DO THESE THINGS... think about * like this.

That's why I keep coming with new solutions for myself as much as i can and i thought i was insane, no , it only looks fishy it actually isn't they have 10 years of FPS GAMES and i have not played FPS games for over a decade (was a world of warcraft bloke) so i must be rust, I'm 31 years old, my reaction time is just slowing down due to age... * ! my reaction time is increasing by the day, if i had the budget to get a 240hz system+ dual monitor I am sure my reaction time would be even higher , and now I realize that I was lying to myself when I thought those things.

I am not a great player, since i've started in season 3 (played for about 20 games before season 3 between all seasons) i've increased my kdr 3 times, and this season i've stayed at almost 2.0 kdr so still improving, there's ways to go , and i am not insane but what i've said in my last reply is real, there are posibilities of punishment, without risking the playerbase from twitch or youtube leaving the game because a streamer left, when aceu left... not everyone left lol... every time he comes online on apex his viewerbase explodes because there are so many players that play apex that enjoy how aceu plays... so that's a mute point also. We just need an asnwer, some attention ... can we expect at any point that SCRIPTING / MACROING / USING ANY THIRD PARTY APP (even logitech ones, or my cheap * mouse T-Dagger has an app that controls its settings and allows macroing and such) gets punished if used wrongfully ?

Both R99 and R301 has a pattern that is kinda weird/hard to control on mid/long range. R301 is easier, but on really long range with 3x scope for example its kick and you can`t do anything about it. If you start moving your mouse "left-right" to control it, its going to mess your aim for 100%. 

Its not just go down, its left-to right as well, and its one thing to memorize this on CS:GO, where you standing still/crouch, and its complete another when recoil is kicking different depending on the scope and the distances.

This is the pattern from season 5, before Havoc one was changed.

There is a zero chance to mimic the whole recoil and land 99% of your shots, when the bullets of R99 and R301 are that small. Its not like your controlling burst Prowler where even if you miss on the recoil you will still land half of your shots for exmaple or Mastiff(tho it has no recoil). :D

Also Flatline some of this streamers use all of the weapons with exactly the same success in terms of countering the recoil, really? 

I see it million times ShivFPS for example is a top, top player with great aim, ingame sense and its playing the game for long time and he didn`t one mag everyone with R99. There is so much moments of his game where his aim is thrown by enemy movement and he can`t kill even with both weapons(unless he got Mastiff in the second arm). And he is a great aimer, you can tell that by his play with Wingman for exmaple.

You can clearly see how R301 or Flatline recoil kick when he used them.

But somehow ImperialHal for example - all of his bullets are going into straight line, aka the enemy head, which is pretty much impossible. Its a straight line, doesn`t move a bit, even tho the recoil has left-right pattern.

Also distances for him doesn`t matter at all.

Everyone knows how R99 kicks with 2x scope(i never used it with 2x scope it throws my aim completely)

But its not only this, but they somehow manage to land 99% of their shot during hipfire as well. At very close range this is possible, but a lot of streamers are doing it in a not so short range as well.

Its pretty obvious. Their G-Hub is always open and its there for a reason. You can toggle on-off, so if you want to fool someone you can show him that your weapon have recoil, and in next moment to turn the script/macro and its game over.

After i've read this post i went online to see the posibilities of getting scripts, not apps that are detectable, and honestly they are so cheap, and they are in the first 2 pages of google... so not much to look for here, also those are coded  by people, the money these streamers have they can just hire freelancers to create undetectable scripts that allow a little wiggle so that it looks legit, but at a certain point you see it clearly, that wiggle is all you get regardless of distance, regardless of terrain, regardless of movement  or falling or zone aim-punch ... look for it, doesn't it look the same for all of them ? its the same wiggle, r99 does not have the same pattern as 301 or as flatline... yet for them, they all act the same .

@Rocko_CCTVHeh G-hub can do all these things. Xim usb can allow you to program in recoil patterns and also trick the pc into thinking a controller is the main source of the computer when its not which grants keyboard and mouse users aim assist on top of no recoil. I have done sooo much home work on this crap and posted nearly every form that it can be done with. Yet months after this post has major feedback on this very thing its not flagged as a mega thread its not flagged of importance its not even commented on by staff. It is 100% allowed apparently.

I have even went as far as to send some of the staff full reports of said cheat programs operated inside the united states one of which same state as the company... I have back traced all the cheat sites to see 1 owner owns multiple sites which is netting him around 7.8 million a year. This is all public knowledge. This is all registered businesses inside the united states. These are all companies who can be held accountable for running off millions of players and making the game not enjoyable for most. The cheat industry is a multi million doller interprice. It will never stop because no one will try to stop them when laws do state they can be sued for the impact done on the game. 

In theory a cheat web site operator is no different then someone who pays someone to Dos someone. Denial of services scripts can crash a game make the login unusable. Which stops revenue from happening for the company due to a shut down. This can be same logic applied minus the game was still functional. But it did impact the players game. All up to company to take action against Easy anti cheat for not properly handling this situation they have been hired to do and go for the web site operators for destroying enjoyable content to their players because of their programs illegally injecting into their code source. 

Sad, cause I can't afford the top logitech prefierals, I suppose I should just get them and use what those people use to give me a fighting chance, at least that's the answer i am getting from ea...

In reality even though its a game to inject programs into someones code source of a operation is in my eyes nothing different then cyber warfare with a worm installed. 

Example: Your a hacker you want to hack a site to retain information on their drives. This is cyber hack to cause harm

Example: Your a hacker you want to inject plugins into someones code source to alter and gain information how the game operates and works by seeing their code. This is a cyber hack to cause harm. 

Talking to people in a few discords about this it seems that we are insane , its either that or people that use scripts are just so many , and they are defending it everywhere so it won't be possible to get anywhere with this.

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@E9ine_AC wrote:
@Rocko_CCTVJust point them to the hundreds of youtube videos of them..... Some can be so brain washed and or one sided they just cant see the obvious thats in front of them. Just google no recoil apex and boom.

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I did , I've told people that it is insanely easy at this point to do this, answer from a staggering 70-90% of the people was give me proof or it doesn't exist ... people just don't care about this at all , they suck up to whatever streamers and youtubers tell them to .... this is so hard for me to accept because I really don't want to cheat but I am sick of these kids making millions of off so called content whilst using no recoil scripts ... I think I would have a 10kdr every season if this would be a thing that I use and I think I am just a tad above average with my 1.5-2kdr

@Shmexxyyy wrote:

@E9ine_AC It’s not “zero” recoil. It’s recoil control. It’s learning the movement pattern of recoil on weapons and then learning how to combat it every time you shoot. For example the r99 had a mostly vertical (straight up) recoil, so you would push down slightly on the right stick on controller or pull the mouse down slightly to control it. There is recoil absolutely but good players know how to control it to make their aim better. 

Bruv , you need to open your eyes, there are to many examples of this , I've said it in many posts, E9ine said it and so many people said it , you cannot defend the people that use this and making millions they actually should be sued to the ground for this kind of crap... because it is enabling a chinese-like mentality where people have cheats ready for them at internet caffes and it is viewed as a standard practice. You can see it when zoomed at 2x 3x , you can see it when they fall off of things while ADSing and their recoil is non existant , you can see it when they shoot in impossible ways ( like using the counter recoil for a flatline at 3x distance and yet  moving the mouse in areas where it would destroy that recoil, example : if you pull down and left to counter a part of recoil but your crosshair moves to the right as a laser well then buddy, tell me how is that physically possible , weren't you moving your mouse left and down so how are you going right at the same time m ? ) and i'm not talking about letting the gun shoot in its normal recoil pattern to go right i am talking lazer, it doesn't move in the pattern you would see from the recoil , you see a lazer perfectly tracking not the mechanic of the gun, just open your eyes to see these things and you will understand why people are going nuts by high numbers , i've seen this post a while ago on the forum and started ignoring it since i never see any action taken by the people that do take action when taking the player bases money... in this time i've read the forum just to see what's going on and you know what.... more and more topics with this issue are being brought up by  others.

This guy has a mouse cam , https://youtu.be/3CeFvK_K_IE?t=119

Bumping this post once again in hopes someone from company will comment on a post this told this big. 

Some recoil pattern is impossible to hit all of your shots, because if you move left-to-right with the mouse, you pretty much will screw your aim and not aim at the target. Recoil also hit way harder on longer distance, but yet some people have zero kick, no matter of the distance.

Its obvious who use it, and who is not.

ShivFPS a top player from a long time, a top 3 most kill players, yet you can clearly see when the recoil kicks on him, and that he lost a control on the recoil in some of his gameplay, as well as missing completely with R99 for example. I see him chasing a player down and just because he was moving and trying to act asap to have a aim on the target he was missing whole clips at the target.

This is normal stuff, even if you have 10 years of high level gaming. It doesn`t matter, because you are not a robot and you will pretty much have this moments.

Yet some people are perfect 110% of the time.

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@E9ine_AC wrote:
@Rocko_CCTVHeh i would not put a region at risk saying this or trash them in same way. Most Apex cheat companies ive back tracked through BBB and other sources and 95% of operate inside the united states. Not china.

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Sorry if that was the case, I haven't placed a region into anything but of the stories that I have heard and are probably easily reachable trough google, they have entire internet caffes that have cheats for various games, and there is a known bot problem in many games coming from chinese gold farmers for about a decade now ... so its not my words you should take as valid

@Rocko_CCTVYou are correct in a way. But you are the one on the forums accusing them not the other people. As i stated all most cheat websites can be back traced to the United States and living and operating inside the United States. Had they said same thing i would respond with same response.

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@E9ine_AC wrote:

@Rocko_CCTVYou are correct in a way. But you are the one on the forums accusing them not the other people. As i stated all most cheat websites can be back traced to the United States and living and operating inside the United States. Had they said same thing i would respond with same response.

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well if you say so , but in most games that i have played before like diablo 3 , world of warcraft,  and many mmos the chinese gold farmers (with bots) were always a problem and a problem that couldn't be handled for many years.

Also I have heard stories where they are expected to do so in certain areas, cheat at games and all that, I didn't say they made the cheats themselves, just that they are using them as a normal thing , maybe they buy them from the us 🙂.

Well enough about this, I have no interest in who cheats more... just sad that it happens on a severely disturbing level .

Still here wondering if any mod will ever comment on this., =(