Re: LOWER AIM ASSITS FOR CONTROLLER PLAYERS!

@SolitaryMassacreNo need to lie to me and show me some clip where you literrly work against your aimassist :-/
Obviously if you don’t follow it’s lead and even pull into the other direction it’s not working…

I btw play right now with a controller to prove my friend a point

I am only a Diamond mnk player, and I switched to controller like 2 weeks ago and the amount of oneclips I am doing alrdy is insane… seeing the massive improvement in only about 2 weeks is also insane

the zero ms reactiontime of aa is crazystrong and no matter how many trillion years you play with mnk, humans have a reactiontime… 
If you don’t believe add me on discord and I can stream you some games of it no problem 🙂

@matzesingtMy evidence IS evidence because my evidence, and what you just said, negate everything people have to say when it comes to AA - "its doing the work for you" "AA tracks the enemy for you without user input".

You can literally see the enemy octane in the very beginning of the video I posted starting to move, and my reticle NEVER budges until I push the joystick. I am not doing anything in those frames, except shooting because the octane WAS standing still, then they decide to move, and guess what, nothing happened until I start moving the joystick.

Again, I ask you, what 0ms reaction time does AA have? You can see my video of literally nothing happening, clearly there is some delay, oh yeah, me. Cause I am playing the game, not AA. Here is another one of my clips where I am not even touching the right joystick, I am simply strafing back and forth left and right, and yet again, my reticle does not do any sort of auto tracking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOhmZB9QLmM So please explain to me what this 0ms reaction time is regarding. What is it reacting to with 0ms? Clearly not the enemy.

Your argument saying its input error is very clearly debunked with all the video evidence I post, which is OBJECTIVE observable evidence for ALL to see, not how I "feel". You basing all your "evidence" and arguments on how you "feel" and YOUR 2 weeks of controller gameplay is the most subjective you could possibly get.

PS: Me overshooting is just me on my bad day. I get way too excited and overreact all the time. I literally take a break and come back and I'm good again.

@SolitaryMassacreLive in your delusion and be happy, your last post made it very clear that you would never back down no matter what. You defend aa to the end.
you claw to things i didn’t even say, nowhere did I say aa does all on its own.

And btw my 2 weeks of controller might actually give my “feel“ to way more weight then you might think. For me aa feels very unnatural to play with because I am not used to it since I played for like 20 years only mnk and it pulls my screen so much that it actually feels weird and Is hard to get used to still.

you even think that aa isn’t helping wich is actually hilarious tbh… imagine how many mnk pro‘s swapped to controller. If it’s not for aimassist what is it then ? The great looting ? Cmon mate wake up really… just the slowdown on its own is so incredibly strong, even if we don’t touch rotational aimassist.

I am not even arguing what and how it should get nerfed or anything, I state my expierience as a long time mnk player that recently swapped to controller.

i didn’t even start to talk about the fact that it gives you massive amounts of consistency, wich is one of the big factors that decides if someone is incredibly good and pops off from time to time or if he becomes pro 

btw rotational aimassist has 0ms delay my friend 🙂 

@SolitaryMassacreYea mate what ever helps you sleep 🙂 I told you exactly what has 0ms reactiontime you seem to just not properly read.

i could go through your gameplay and rip it to pieces to tell you exactly why aimassist couldn’t carry you there… but what’s the point ? You seem to not even fully understand how aa works.

i Play with Controller myself you can’t bs me with clips where you f up massively…

@SolitaryMassacreYes rotational aimassist has a 0ms reactiontime and is triggered by your own movement And pulls towards target….

I know aimassist can carry someone because that’s what it’s doing for me 🙂 I played about 200-300 matches in arena now in about 3 weeks. The first like 100 games were an actual pain like serious pain…Even with such a horrible beginning I went to a 60% winrate by now and I am now in the second split alrdy platin wich you might expect means I play against ALOT of ex master/pred players and I win my duels ALOT with a kd of 1.6.

So no I am not 1% pred but I got very confident that I might reach masters in arena with controller quite easy.
Overall I am actually surprised how strong Controller really is in close fights 
I will keep you updated on my journey 🙂

@matzesingt

The biggest problem I have with your argument is you claim "aim assist can carry someone". The reason aim assist is not carrying someone is because you needed a learning curve. You had to play 100 games before you got better. First off, SBMM is prolly matching you with lower skilled players - so that could be why the 101 game was "easier". Secondly, if aim assist was carrying anyone, you would not have needed 100 games to get better, as aim assist would have simply allowed you to be better. Next, after your 300 games, who's to say you simply aren't getting better at playing using a controller and aim assist has nothing to do with your performance? And believe it or not SOME players are better with a controller than Mnk, just like SOME players are better on MnK than with a controller. In addition, I know people who play controller who have more than 300 matches in arenas and aren't anywhere near masters or even gold. Your claim that its aim assist and nothing more is just wild when there are many pointers that its not.

I've showed many times where aim assist what not strong at all in my close fights.

Lastly, you reaching pred/masters isn't all on you - its also on your team. This is why I said before these metrics are not valid metrics to use when comparing controller to MnK as it adds a billion variables to it - we need accuracy metrics ( (total bullets fired / total bullets hitting enemies) * 100) per match per player for both MnK and controller to truly understand the difference aim assist has.

Your claim that aim assist is carrying you is simply one that just doesn't make sense based on all the data and evidence available to us. I am glad you are doing better on controller, but maybe its simply because YOU are better on controller 🙂 than on MnK. Your hand and eye coordination could honestly just be fitted better for controller based on what you have experienced your whole life. Claiming its aim assist is just farfetched 🙂

my friend, @SolitaryMassacre  take some pills or something.

u are far to stressed and take everything very personal.

I started this thread because I had a few days in a row that I couldn't do s**t in game...90% of people I encountered just melt me down in 1 magazine almost. people tracking me from far not missing a shot with wingman, and bullets that kill me after I got to cover around a corner.

I didn't bothered to look around to see if they boosted Aim Assist, but that was the feeling. I don't think 90% of players were cheaters.

another fact i realize after, was that I played being very tired, since I worked night shift that days, so on top of it I played poorly my self.

nobody said AA is doing everything... what we complain about is if the AA is to strong.

@matzesingt was very clear in all his posts, I don't understand why you twist his words non stop.

What I would like is the possibility to enable/disable crossplay, so that I can choose to be match only with people that play on mnk.

that would be the simplest option to fix this.

there will still be players on mnk who dont mind playing against controller players, so that could still be an option, and also maybe there are controller players who would like to be matched only vs controller players. so depending on your input, you should be able to select if you want to be matched with others that have other types of inputs on platforms, or not. If I don't mistake Fortnite had this option at some point.

but anyways dude...chillllll a bit 🙂)

@Ryuu_Oto- Bolded my replies for ease of reading/understanding.

u are far to stressed and take everything very personal. - I can assure you I am not taking anything "personal". I do however, enjoy telling/showing people how aim assist is not doing anything nor is it doing what you claim (lasered from a wingman far away). There is a point where things are simply fact, and the ignorance to those facts. And when ignorance to those facts happens, someone needs to stand up to them.

I started this thread because I had a few days in a row that I couldn't do s**t in game...90% of people I encountered just melt me down in 1 magazine almost. people tracking me from far not missing a shot with wingman, and bullets that kill me after I got to cover around a corner. - The fact you started this thread with what you claim here is proof that you are being ignorant to those facts (the ones I show/state where aim assist is not doing this). I too (am on controller) have been getting beamed by people using a wingman not missing a single shot. I too am being dropped when I am behind cover. The issues you present, HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AIM ASSIST (caps for making sure you see it, not because I am "yelling" or "stressed". Just clearing that up for you since you want to focus on so many things that have nothing to do with the conversation.)

I didn't bothered to look around to see if they boosted Aim Assist, but that was the feeling. I don't think 90% of players were cheaters. - Well gee, you going off your feelings instead of trying to figure out what is happening or possibly if there is any other reason/issue to your experience. Wow, and I am the stressed one? Again, this is why I make my stand, you all claim "aim assist" yet have zero clue as to what is happening, and you proved it yourself by stating what you are feeling. 

another fact i realize after, was that I played being very tired, since I worked night shift that days, so on top of it I played poorly my self. - Okay, now we are talking some sense here. These are things that are extremely important for communicating. Maybe taking a step back and evaluating the situation is way more helpful then making a complaint post because you did poorly and blaming something else. I too have * days, like a lot lol. I use OBS "replay" feature to record all my games. When I have a * moment, or a * day, I save those recordings. I then go back and watch them and go "oh yeah he was there." or "Oh yeah that was my bad." It is very healthy for yourself and others to evaluate yourself before making bogus claims like aim assist is too strong. This is the whole reason I make a point and reply to people.

nobody said AA is doing everything... what we complain about is if the AA is to strong. - Actually, a lot of people say AA is the one doing everything. Like a lot of them. Next time I see it, i'll be sure to tag you.

@matzesingtwas very clear in all his posts, I don't understand why you twist his words non stop. - Again with the ignorance. I never twisted their words. I simply asked for them to elaborate on the words. But I guess you just wanna go on your feelings again right?

What I would like is the possibility to enable/disable crossplay, so that I can choose to be match only with people that play on mnk. - Maybe that is what the title of the thread should be? Maybe communicating more clearly will be more helpful? Idk, when I want something, I usually talk about that for which I want, I don't complain about something else.

that would be the simplest option to fix this. - I don't think so. There is something fundamentally wrong with the game, as what you are experiencing is happening to more than just you. But I can assure you without a doubt, aim assist is not the culprit. Again, this is why I am so strongly dedicated to communicating this. I don't get how focusing on the wrong thing will fix the problem you are having. 

In short, communicating based on facts is way more effective than communicating on "feelings". You should try it sometime. You are off to a good start with what you posted here, it was actually helpful (minus you telling me to chill).

@Ryuu_OtoGlad I am not the only one that noticed what he was doing, that’s why I simply gave up engaging with him.and I actually tried to be as objective as possible

there is simply No point in arguing with someone that truely believes aa doesn’t do anything 

Hi i'm a console player, i started playing apex like 2 months ago after not gaming for like 6 months, before i played only r6. So when i started playing my aim felt literally unreal because i thought "since when i got so good at aiming" so i tried deactivating aim assist and o my god in reality i wasn't the one good here but my AA was for sure. I played for a month straight without it because it felt ultra fake gaming with it and i can say that you can game and hit shots even without it but you are at an extreme disadvantage against other AA users coz of better tracking caused by instant reaction and slowed sensibility. Now i'm back on it after losing one too many times against bots not missing a single shot, yesterday I reached plat and hell what i sas was so bad:  I was playing the challenge matches to get to plat and i got paired with a bronze 1 running around without even holstering the weapon but the aim, yes the most important mechanic in this game because you need a whole clip to land to kill an enemy, was at the exact same level as mine. So where is the skill gap from rank to rank, thats at least 2 whole rank of difference but the only skillgap is that i holster my weapon and throw some superglides here n there?? I feel like i'm not getting any better even if i play at least 6hrs a day because i can get better as much as AA consent me to and with AA everyone has already a high level of aim skill so you notice very little difference.

AA should be removed only when you are playing against other console players (not rollers on pc) and let me be clear: You only meet pc players on mixtape and when you stack with a pc friend so why on earth i hear so many people whining "ehh but mouse is a superior device in fps compared to 3d analog sticks", you probably never fought against a mnk players unless you're playing with friends on pc. And if thats the case for me you should have AA so you can compete with your friends without being at a disadvantage.

Thats why my interest in first person shooters is lowering, i love apex mechanics and movement but please remove AA on console lobbies because its just too stupid, where is the learning curve? The frustration also of knowing that u can't dodge bullets unlees you are running at 400 units velocity, bots not missing a bullet and me aswell knowing that half of my aim skill, if not more, is really not mine. And the kids whining if they don't hit shots is not true, when i was a child a played only tf2 and cs and never had a problem considering i'm still gaming and if it wasn't that I need money to buy a new pc and can't play with my friends, i would be on pc.