He doesn`t need to be spiderman. His passive is already great. Moving the same speed when you are crouched is a big thing, if you know how to strafe properly, this is a huge thing.
All the buffs to him are very powerful. And i don`t like the remove of his ultimate range. I`m not okay with it. And totally not okay with the 20sec. CD disabling abilities. Its too powerful.
@SERPENT_DESCEND wrote:
@LordloshBangSorry bud but the data doesn't support what you said, Revenant might be one of the most useless (if not the most useless) character in the game as for now, His passive only allow him to climb a little bit faster than other legends and most of the times you can reach the place a Revenant climbed too even without using any ability. Tactical is the most situational ability in the game and one of the easiest to counter. It does very little damage and you can still rely on your movement skills to outrun/reposition. Even worse there are characters who don't use their abilities that much during fights (Crypto rarely use any of his abilities if he is being pushed, Wattson and Caustic would most likely already deployed their defences if they are being pushed, And so on). Ultimate isn't very helpful and can put you and your teammates in imminent danger if anything went wrong. If you are having a hard time facing Reveant, Maybe it has something to do with your skills, Not the character.
Maybe if you have a harder time playing Revenant, it has something to with your skills, not with the character? How that sounds ?
Pick rate is a good statistics, but stats are like a short skirt, its shows a lot, but hide the most important thing !!!
Gibraltar has the 5th lowest pick rate in season 5, with 4.15%. Revenant is with 3.25 infront of reworked Mirage, who is with 3.23, which is a thing.
Pickrate its not just about who the best legend is, and a lot of people plays what fit their style or what they like, like me for example.
I`m playing Bangalore, yet she ain`t that good, but i`m used to here and i like here, and i have my way to play the game with her and i play her.
You see me spamming thread about her to get buffed or crying about her abilities being bad ? NO! iI try to find the reason and the best use of her abilities and to improve.
This is exactly what you Revenant players ain`t doing it.
I will give example with other high competitive game - Mortal Kombat 11. At the beginning everyone was crying that Liu Kang is bad, ninjakilla start playing him, and destroing everyone with it, he became S++ tier(his kit was amazing and from day 1 i was saying he is top 3 character).
Another quick example. Johnny Cage was somehow mid tier, until SonicFOx pick him and show the world how he was meant to be played and won multiple grand tournaments with him.
Then he done the same with serveral different characters, that was so call "low" tiers and all the ppl were saying they are bad.
I hope you get the point i`m making.
So let me get back at Revenant.
His passive is 100% movement speed while crouching(excluding sprinting), which is completely insane and help tremendously at mid to high to top to pro level of gameplay where you have good movement/strafing. Making yourself twice as smaller target and still move at normal speed is a huge thing.
Still i don`t know how Revenant players not get that. And on top of that, on a single ability passive, he get 1 more perk.
Revenant can climb walls 2 times as high as a normal Legend [about 10-11 meters]. He can also climb shorter walls 25% faster because it takes longer for his climbing speed to decelerate.
This is purely one of the best passive in games currently. I still don`t get for what people are complaining about it. You just need to understand how to get advantage out of it.
Lets move to his Tactical. Situational you siad? Revenant is purely build as anti-hero, and this is the most anti ability in the game, that is insanely strong.
Firstable its made incredible stupidly and blind you completely(which should be reworked asap), the silence time to take enemy ability is ridiculous high - 20 seconds(which is insanely OP and should be nerfed to 10sec), and on top of that do 10 damage, and has 2 charges, with a joke 25 sec CD ....
This is a great ability, and if you think its bad, its because you don`t know how to use this ability to its strength.
Lets move to his Ultimate.
You saying Ultimate isn`t very helpful, really? How ? Because you obviously don`t use it, as it intended, you obviously don`t know how to use his ultimate, yet complain about it?
His ultimate is extremely strong, because its allow your entire team to go into shadow mode and get killed with like zero consensuses(50 hp actually).
This extremely powerful, because in other words, you simply exchange 50 hp to 100 hp and allows you to push or defend against enemy team and do significantly damage, get killed, but yet be back in the game with full shields and in just for exchange of 50 hp.
If that ultimate ain`t great, i don`t know what is it.
And let see the changes he is getting this patch:
His ultimate got no range(this is unheard of and ridiculous and should be reverted asap) and his tactical can cancel Wraith mid-Phase she is in phase, and Pathy being mid-grapple .....
The way i see it, Revenant buffing time its over, from now on he is going downside. He will either receive a rework or a nerfs.
Again people should learn to how use their legends to their strengths and how to play them to their strengths, instead of just complaining, without looking at the whole pictures.
But today kids, are just watching streamers and waiting someone to show them how to do the stuffs, and they are just lazy and not doing anything by themself.
Sorry to ruin your day Revenant is already strong enough. Even if they make him god tier, his pick rate could still be low. Gibraltar is top 3 legend, yet in S4(where he was at his best) his pick rate was 4.40 standing at 8 place, yet he is still a top 3 or top 5 legend. Which tells you a story that other factors play huge role in terms of pick rate.
And Revenant S4 pick rate was at 7 place(according to The Gaming Merchant) with 4.90 ....
Revenant has incredible powerful kit, which is specific and kinda unique, and people needs to learn how to play towards his kit and use his strengths.
For me he is very strong and its extremely useful in a lot of situations. But he ain`t got a escape mechanism ability or speed ability and this is the main reason he won`t ever got to very high pick rate.
Main thing I notice when people complain about revenant is dat they treat him like a tank character instead ur scout/stealth/rogue characters that or I’ve noticed a lot of people don’t really know how to properly use him or his skills to benifit them and their team
me personally I main him constantly and I love his character I would only want to see soft buffs at dis point and maybe a rework on his totem so enemies can’t use it other den dat I’m very happy wit revenant his character kit fits my stealth and flanking play style perfectly
@NagTheNaggy wrote:
@LordloshBangHis tactical is definitely not too powerful. It is only effective against 1/3 of the legends. His crouch walk is great, yes, but his climb is way too slow to be effective. Revenant's climb is his only escape ability, but if you play him then you know how easy it is for people to beam you while climbing. As I said in my post, anywhere Revenant can climb, all other legends can follow as long as you are smart with where you climb. Revenant's climb should be on the same level as Pathfinder or Loba so he can reposition QUICKLY. In third person, he is as slow as a slug on the last stretch of his climb and he is so easy to hit. As a console player, this will be even worse with the aim assist that will come when playing with pc players in the upcoming crossplay. Even if the climb isn't made higher (which it should be) then it needs to have no slow at the max height.
Sorry, but this is clearly nonseses.
Your first statement that its effect 1/3 of the legends its completely untrue. Can you explain to us all, which are the 1/3 of the legends that goes unaffected by his tactical ? I`m listening, but i want straight names and a facts, otherwise we are talking nonseses.
As his passive:
He is one of the few legends, that have 2 or more perks to his passive. So sorry to say it, but even the crouch speed is already too good, and:
Revenant can climb walls 2 times as high as a normal Legend [about 10-11 meters]. He can also climb shorter walls 25% faster because it takes longer for his climbing speed to decelerate.
I don`t really don`t get what exactly more you want from his passive, as it already strong enough.
Revenant is not a legend that have escape mechanism and he is not build around that, otherwise his ultimate would be way too OP.
He is a pure anti-hero with his tactical and his rock solid ultimate, which is a big +.
SERPENT_DESCEND, every top players that was going for a 20+ kills to highlighted and put it in youtube go for a legends like Wraith and Pathfinder, mainly because of their ability. Even they get in sticky situation and this situations get them out of trouble.
Abilities are there to give you a unique feeling about your legend, but the problem is they keep rising the power creep and i don`t want this game to became a ability spam fest and ability to take over skills.
What i really think Revanant players should do is to be thankful to Respawn about the job they have done with Revenant and that he is in a very good spot right now.
He will probably be main second main after Bangalore, as his ability kit is just insanely good.
And i will repeat my statement, i`m pretty sure this will be the last buff for him. The best is to stay like that, but he ain`t got no buffs in the future. At best rework of some of his abilities or slight nerfs.
So be happy with him the way he is now.
I`m not playing Revenant, and can`t say from a experience, but from the notes, he can climb twice as much as every other legend, which is a big thing, and he climb the small rocks with 25% boost speed, which is a thing.
And you add to that that he crouch move the same speed as walking, and his passive is pretty damn good.
Again, not many Legends have 2 perks in their passive.
Pathy, Octane, Bangalore, Wraith, Loba, Gibraltar and Caustic they all have 1 perk in their passive, Revenant has 2.
@LordloshBang I have to agree with you when it comes to his Ult being fairly strong now and not wanting this game to be completely dependent on abilities. In terms of pure strength Revenant is good enough but may need more adjustments to make him as valuable as other picks. Honestly the changes to his ult might make him versatile enough to be a worthwhile pick but we'll see
His tactical obviously affects all Legends but is only 1/3 of the Legends care about losing their abilities. A silence Gibraltar is dead while a silenced crypto is mildly annoyed.
The number of passives a Legend has is irrelevant. The strength of a Legend's passive it what matters. Caustic technically has two passives (immune to gas and highlights enemies within gas) but just one of Lifeline's old passive abilities (25% faster item use) outclasses both of Caustic's in my eyes.
@NagTheNaggy Why is the climbing ability viewed as an escape ability? Since the day Revenant was introduced I've viewed him as the edgy assassin Legend. I use his abilities to sneak up on enemies from routes they never expect and that climb has been fairly good at that.
@heme725 wrote:His tactical obviously affects all Legends but is only 1/3 of the Legends care about losing their abilities. A silence Gibraltar is dead while a silenced crypto is mildly annoyed.
Again:
Bangalore, Mirage, Octane, Wraith, Pathfinder, Gibraltar, Loba, Bloodhound, Caustic, you make this legends suffer.
You understand that, this is not 1/3 of the legends, right ?
And we currently have 13 legends, including Revenant. If you get him out of the scheme, cause we are talking about his tactical, its 12.
So you pretty much make 9 out of 12 legends suffer bad.
And you pretty much make Bangalore, Octane, Wraith, Pathy, Gibraltar, Loba, suffer big time, because they heavily rely on their tactical.
Even if we just take the legends that heavily rely on their tactical, aka 6 out of 12, this is half of the cast, not 1/3.
Add that the sphere is ridiculous and totally blind your opponent, and you even do damage to them ...
His tactical is insanely powerful anti-hero tool. Its remind of a Spectre or Visage in dota. :D
You know what i`m thinking of the moment ? Revenant in a pro usage. We all know that pro teams are camping in close one to another buildings, which make Revenant insanely useful in such situations, for example like this:
You decide to push an enemy team, Revenant is the best tool to allow you to try that without consequences. You ult and all goes on shadow mode, you push a team and you focus to down 1 of the enemies, and you do this in just of the expense of 50 hp, you die you get back alive on safety with full shield and 50 hp.
If you knock someone, you just straight up push again, because you will get all of your armor and finish them.
His ultimate can be extremely useful in many situation, his tactical as well, silence enemy and took them a way a powerful kit, when they need it most.
Pushing a team with an ability to get killed and come back full shield and with 50 hp, while they are all silenced and you have like a second chance is extremely strong tools.
Yeah you don`t have an escape ability with Revenant, but you get a anti-legend ability, a second chance ultimate, and a upper hand in strafing, due to full speed crouch.
I don`t know for what more you can ask ...
I post it here as well:
Revenant is the big winner of this patch.
TSM_Albralelie testing the changes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYATzVKuxE
Its a good video.
When your hit by Revenant tactical, you have less visibility on your screen, which for me is a bad thing and i don`t like that at all, and i think this should be reversed. Such things are bad for the game.
Let me have my 100% view and no one making me see blur stuffs.
Just what i say in my previous comment.
Revenant with his new shine ultimate stuff will be a complete monster in tournaments.
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