The reason is simple - THE GAME IS DYING. Based on the terrible decisions from Respawn (lower shields, introduce turbocharged energy weapons all over the map, lower TTK, recycling early season rare skins...etc), the ridiculous number of incredibly toxic cheaters and a boring old gambling-based shop loot system......it is clear long time players are leaving in droves. This is evidenced by waiting several minutes for a pub match, which in all seasons past, I have never had to do. When the match finally begins, I am almost always paired with level <5 cheaters, or someone with 20K kills who drops hot, gets their kills, then leaves when they get downed.
Clearly the 1000's of posts from players who actually once enjoyed the game is a big waste of time. In the unlikely event Respawn even reads any of these posts, they clearly would rather spend their dev money making fancy cuts scenes and comic strips (no one reads) instead of addressing bugs and have a focused efforts of banning the abundance of cheaters in the game. Bad business model. There is a tried and true reason for the saying "the customer is always right". Respawn seems to take pride in alienating their true player base, and I for one will no longer be an ATM for Respawn as I have been for the past 2 years. Not one more penny until there is a serious re-balance of the game and I start to see a cheater every 100 matches instead of every single match.
You absolutely do not see a cheater every match. I've played about a thousand games, and have only seen 3-4. You might be confusing players cheating, with the SBMM being so awful in this game.
I'm a day 1 player who has played 13,000 games. Pretty sure I can spot a cheater.
My buddy has been playing fps since he was like 10, is valaorant in valorant, pred in apex etc. He wipes squads with a wingman at 200 meters every game. Heck, even I manage to get a few wingman knocks at 200+ meters every few games, and I've only been playing fps games for 3 months. I downloaded aim lab, practice recoil patterns, hot drop, and 1v1 my friends in the shooting range. Sorry to say it, but some people just try harder than you.
My friend also makes smurfs when he runs out of things to do in the current week (no more challenges to do)
Do I agree with smurfing? Absolutely not, but that's not a problem for me to fix.
if you have 13,000 games, played the game for multiple years, and still struggle against preds, I'm sorry but that's a "you problem." There isn't as many cheaters in this game as people think, it is greatly exaggerated.
You might be confusing controller aim assist, with an actual aim cheat.
I am not talking about predators. I am talking about account level 3 with 100 kills, a 20 kill badge who hits consecutive head shots to knock me and my entire squad in less time than any of us have to shoot 1 shot. No signs of any purchased content. I often spectate after they roll over my squad. They take forever to loot. They pause with no cover and magically ping a player no one can see. They don't move like a pred would move. No sliding, no jumping, no side to side. I have literally been in multiple squads where a random I am paired with has asked if he should turn on his cheats.
Some cheaters are good at hiding it. They set their aim bot to hit the body maybe 2 out of 4 times. That is still better than an average player. A very small percentage of the FPS population has an average hit accuracy north of 60%. Maybe 5% of all players. Yet, mysteriously, season 6 has a massive influx of new accounts that base on my actual observations, they hit everything they aim at and magically pop off with a 7 kill game. Is it possible that they are a seasoned FPS player with a new account, of course. However, if you look at the sheer number of players that fall into a situation I describe......no way. Mathematically and logically impossible.
You're actually wrong about accuracy being above 60%. Any aim practice, or click accuracy tool with a leaderboard will show you that 70-90% accuracy is average for most FPS players.
Low level accounts with high kills are smurfs.
Who knows, maybe I'm just good enough that I don't notice the small cheaters. For me, if I think someone is cheating I spectate them, and if they're snapping and shooting at targets behind walls, or hitting full clips at mid range, I hit the report (and they're often disconnected).
Recoil patterns in apex are predictable, meaning you can move your mouse to perfectly counteract the recoil. You can look up the patterns and learn these in about 30-1 hour.
Recoil on a controller is dramatically less than KBM, it's much easier to learn FPS on a controller for this reason, but the skill ceiling is much lower. You might just be facing controller players and getting tilted.
Returning to the original question of the post - "Why am I in APEX Predator lobbies?". The short answer is - if you aren't a diamond or predator yourself, you should almost never see a predator in your lobby.
As we all know, a predator is currently a top 500 player (in the entire game). In any given season, that means there are 500 possible predators active in the game at one time. If there are 2 million active accounts, that means you would have a 0.015% chance of having a predator in your pub lobby (assuming all 500 are actively playing the game and you yourself are not a master or predator). The chances that an average player should see a predator in a pub match under those assumptions is 1:15,000. The fact that average players are seeing them regularly means that there is either serious flaws in SBMM, or the player base has dwindled drastically.
Not going to sit here and debate my points. Its pointless, as the devs at APEX clearly don't even review any of it. What I will say is that you comments and logic are flawed. Out of the assumed X millions of accounts purported to be active in APEX, what % of the population of apex players actually use an aim practice tool? You are also assuming that a good portion of those referenced on the "leaderboard" are APEX players. Lastly, you are assuming that those people using the tool aren't simply testing out their cheats.
Out of X millions of purported players of APEX, a very small % are using a tool to improve aim. On average, over a large enough sample size, average accuracy of X millions of accounts is most likely in the 15-20% average hit accuracy. Yet, I run into a disproportionate number of low account level players seemingly new the the game melting people with a unrealistic number of headshots and accuracy.
There are simple ways for Respawn to cut down on the number of obvious cheaters in the game. Make it a paid game and implement 2FA. Cheaters only spend money on their cheats. They also would have a much more difficult time establishing a new account after a ban if it was dependent on a mobile # for auth.
Of course Respawn would never do this. If they did, they would realize that the X millions of purported accounts are primarily multiple accounts created by cheaters or players that have previously been banned. They would lose a good portion of what they have reported as their account base and it would be even hard to fill a lobby. They had a good thing going, but they completely ruined it by bad decisions and allowing cheaters to proliferate within the game.
Ok first, we agree that pred's shouldn't be in plat lobbies, but the issue is there isn't enough players right now in the game. The vast majority of Apex Legends players are on console. The reason how I know this is duo q's are instant on console, ranked q's are instant on console, where as you can't even get into a duo match on pc, and ranked q's are 2-3 minutes in gold.
I'm assuming respawn is trying to fix this issue by adding in crossplay, which will be a good thing for the game.
As far as your opinions on cheating, when I get killed by a player that has good aim, I try to get better, and when you get killed by a player that has good aim, you call him a cheater. It's two ways of looking at a problem, one is productive, and one isn't. I'm not sure what rank you are, but I was plat 1 in my first season in just 300 hours played (my first fps game ever.) FPS games have been out for a very long time, and if you think that the average player has 15-20% accuracy you are trippin'.
You must understand that most players that play a game nowadays use tools to improve there gameplay, such as aim trainers. Every single person I play with uses them, and every friend I know that cares about fps games, uses them. Just sit in the practice range and learn the recoils from guns and you'll be lazering people at 300m in no time. There is a Korean youtuber named "aka" that has a very good video on ways to improve your aim.
A lot of players probably use anti-recoil cheats on there controllers, and that's almost undetectable. but it really isn't that much of an edge if you just learn the patterns yourself.
Going to stop responding to this thread for a bit, since you seem to have a very hard head, and don't really care to improve yourself though, GL to you!
@StanglyDanglyieYou seriously telling me anybody can pull it off with a single magazine? A single magazine with just 6 bullet? You literally need to land a headshot 6 times in a row without missing in a span of 3-4 seconds to pull that off. That's exactly how long it takes him to wipe off my entire squad, and that's what exactly he continue to do against the next 3-4 squad.
Why don't you show me a video of anyone pulling that off if you think it was legitimate? With all knockdown done with exactly 2 bullets all the times without a single miss.
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