Remove abandon penalty from Mixtape mode
I've said thousands, tens, hundreds of billions of times to remove rubbish features like the abandon penalty from mixtape mode, which is not only useless but only gets in the way of players, so I rea...
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Back when Mixtape came out, it didn't have an abandon penalty.
But this definitely was not great in my opinion.
Once a player left, a chain reaction started, until every single player left the lobby, causing the match to be canceled.
This kept happening to the majority of matches, resulting in a large portion of mixtape games ending too early & without result.
A lot of complaints kept rolling in about it, there were a decent chunk of players that wanted an abandon penalty.
I don't see any reason for players to leave a game early, unless other players are leaving as well.
Though in such cases Respawn/EA should look into other solutions, for example backfill
No, with Mixtape mode's current **bleep**ty team balance and overflowing with cheaters, where there are almost no decent matches, a ridiculous feature like an abandon penalty is nothing more than a hindrance.
The only reason people are still saying "we need abandon penalties" given this **bleep**ty current situation is because they've never played Mixtape mode, which is completely ruined by the current garbage team balance and cheaters, and if you've played the current garbage Mixtape mode even once, you'll immediately understand how much of a hindrance the abandon penalty is and how it's nothing more than a ridiculous feature.
Though in that case the problem would be the state of the matches themselves, the matchmaker and the amount of cheaters.
Getting rid of the abandonment penalty will not solve those problems, it would be a bandaid fix that would not solve any of the problems at hand. The abandonment penalty is not the root cause of the problem.Not only would you be introducing the previous problem of matches just ending prematurely because of the domino effect where everyone leaves one by one, but the original problems of poor matchmaking & a lot of cheaters would exist.
Personally I can't see how that change would be helpful to the game, if you need to get rid of the abandonment penalty because most of the matches aren't worth to be played, at that point there is a larger problem at hand.In such case, we should be complaining about poor matches or the cheaters, as that is what's causing the problems.
That's why I'm saying it's wrong to try to force players into matches when those issues haven't been resolved!
Don't you understand why I'm saying that if you want to implement abandon penalties to stop players from leaving, then do it after you're able to provide decent matches that are playable?
You say that everyone is dropping out one after the other like dominoes falling, causing the match to end early, but the matches themselves are already full of things that don't work properly because of cheats and **bleep**ty team balancing, so why can't you understand that forcing players into something that isn't even a match and trying to make them play to the end is wrong in and of itself?
There are so many low quality matches and matches full of cheats, so before you complain about them, stop wasting your time by binding yourself to those rubbish matches!
As I have said many times, only once we are able to provide properly functioning matches should we introduce systems such as abandon penalties to prevent players from leaving.
As things stand, we are only able to provide low-quality matches, so I am saying that we need to first build a system that can provide matches that are close to fair, rather than a system that forcibly prevents players from leaving!
I simply cannot understand why they don't realize that the number of people playing Mixtape mode and Apex itself is plummeting because people are sick and tired of the system offering only crappy matches, and then have to waste their time on those crappy matches because of the abandon penalties.
If this penalty made MixTape playable, why isn't it in Pubs? At least try it for a limited time.
Or just remove Pubs and leave only Ranked.
3-Queues.
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I am not in favor of abolishing pubs at all.
It would take away the environment where players can casually enjoy Apex battles, instead of the rigid matches where rankings like ranked matches have a big impact on points, and players who are not yet familiar with the game can play casually while improving their skills. In the first place, Mixtape mode has a function that allows other players to join in mid-match if there are not enough people, so we should not needlessly tie players to matches by setting an abandonment penalty.
Unlike ranked matches, it allows you to casually experience the atmosphere of BR mode, and there is a demand different from ranked matches, such as casual combat, so I don't think it is a good idea at all to remove matches and force only ranked matches to be playable.
It would be forcing the play style you want on players, and it would be a complete denial of the player base that does not want the stiff atmosphere of ranked matches.
If you want a ranked style of play, don't turn off pubs, just play ranked.
First of all, a system that tries to force you into a match is wrong. I don't think pubs are not available at all, and the fact that they match without too much wait time is proof that there is a demand for them. If there wasn't demand, or if players thought they couldn't play, matches would never start, or it would take an infinitely long time to get matched.
Furthermore, there is already a limited amount of playable content in Apex right now, so I completely disagree with the idea of abolishing PUBS and reducing the amount of playable content, and it shouldn't be done.
Also, should NEVER try it for a limited time.
Doing so would only create unnecessary resentment and would turn the mode into something not so different from a ranked match, rather than a casual mode, which would either result in ranked matches being the only mode people would be comfortable playing, or players who are not in the mood for or do not like the ranked match atmosphere would drop off the game, significantly reducing the number of active players.
Well, players who want a ranked-like playstyle in all modes will probably be happy to be able to exclude players with a different playstyle to their own, but that would simply be like forcing their desired playstyle onto the game itself, like an empire that strictly controls speech and thought and eliminates all people who don't follow them, and it would only narrow the game's future and shorten its lifespan.
Personally I think it would be nice to have a leaving penalty in pubs as well, though I don't think it's fair to really compare it to mixtape.
Mixtape usually just has 2 or 4 teams, without the leaver penalty, these teams would just cease to exist within mere seconds and the match would get canceled.A single, or 2 leavers could already start that domino effect in mixtape, but in pubs there are more teams, so a few leavers will not really impact the match in a major way. (Nor would it result in the match getting canceled)
Respawn/EA likely has their own reasons to why they don't have an abandon penalty for pubs, though I do agree it would be nice to see something like that.
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