REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !

Dude can you stop being so toxic? A patch update could take several weeks bro, they just don’t make a nerf within a matter of days....that’s not the way it works. Stop harassing them about it already geez. Oh and you can’t get instant killed by a mastiff 15 meters, it does 65 while aiming and 52 hipfiring at 15 meters, good try tho lol. You should go test these things in the firing range before you start spewing out nonsense. Your lucky they’re even giving toxic people like you a platform to give your opinion on.

Ageueuuguegugueugeueg there is no time between two shoots. So 65 x 2 = 130 = ONE SHOT with blue shield. Nice try learn mathematics thx. 

LEARN MATHEMATICS?! 😂😂😂 an enemy with a blue shield is at 175 hp?! So it would take 3 SHOTS!!!! You just said you got instant killed at 15 meters. I’m done with this thread, idk what kind of logic your going by but I’m done 😂😂😂

@SolitaryMassacrePK was BS 1.5 season before.

Time between 2 bullets is even more than mastiff BS. You can't escape with Q (for Wraith) because Q is not instant. 

The only point is : there is TOO MANY Mastiff into the game. Dropping and can find 2/3 mastiffs per spot. It is stupid.
This is the main reason why all noobs are playing with that gun.

I don't think the Mastiff is as good as the PK was... But the Mastiff skill ceiling is way lower than the PK, since its easier to get tags. This might make it a bit more common to see than a PK. I also feel like Mastiffs are literally everywhere on the ground...

102 damages with 2 shots in less 1 sec ? 

Still nothing for the MASTIFF there ? 

With 2 R99 close range not time to spread and i'm dead ? ahah ? 

@Ff3NiXx Mastiff can't shoot that fast and 2 blasts by a shotgun for 100 total damage is kind of weak. The PK did more damage than that with a single pull

The Mastiff is overpowered but mainly because of its unstable damage output and the fact that it recently came out of the care package drop loot pool so it still needs some changes and yes  I can agree that the mastiff is broken due to the 467 damage i dealt to a player (yes this really happend and it was a head shot) but eh mastiff is cool so I would love to keep it in the game. 

AND AGAIN ! 102 in less than 1 sec at 15 meters ! Could you FIX this WEAPON ! 

Recorded a death summary of the 10 last games:

Game 1: Mastiff

Game 2: Mastiff

Game 3: Spitfire

Game 4: Mastiff 

Game 5: Volt

Game 6: Spitfire

Game 7: Mastiff

Game 8: Mastiff

Game 9: R301

Game 10: Mastiff

Conclusion: No need to learn how to aim, just run triple mastiff and get up close. Easy dub every time 🙂

Game 11: Mastiff

Game 12: Mastiff

Im calling quits for season 7 now until they get that cancer out of floor loot. 

do you even consider adjusting your play?

if you think mastiff is very good and die to it constantly, MAYBE dont get too close?

the weapon is literally designed to burst you down at close range.

if you cant deal with it: dont let them come close.

soften them up with sniper rifles but do not play R99 + Flatline or something along those lines.

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@Triumphkutter wrote:

do you even consider adjusting your play?

if you think mastiff is very good and die to it constantly, MAYBE dont get too close?

the weapon is literally designed to burst you down at close range.

if you cant deal with it: dont let them come close.

soften them up with sniper rifles but do not play R99 + Flatline or something along those lines.

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Didn`t you read like the 10 previous post mentioning exactly this ? Its annoying to read the same thing over and over again.

Your point doesn`t make sense at all.

Mastiff is broken. Its the weapon that allows you to kill way highly skilled player than you, even tho you are terrible and don`t move at all, you can still kill him, even tho he is done everything he needs to do.

And to not repeat the same stuff again i will just quote myself:

"I will add that, you can`t tell right at the moment, what weapons your opponent haves. So how can i decide where to take the fight, if i don`t know what weapons he have. The time he swap weapons, you can`t do a ...... 

And Mastiff range is ridiculous."

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And lastly on that topic. Yesterday or like 2 days ago, there was 1vs1 Pro/Streamers tournament. Guess what the weapons was, Wingman + Mastiff. Funny part is people that was obviously worst, are trying to spam with the mastiff, and jiggle peeking and hiding. It was so obvious, and at the chat we were talking exactly at this. That the guy is just worst and trying to compensate by using a broken gun. This was everyone opinion, but it was so obvious. I mean some of the guys were straight up shooting with the Mastiff as a first, not even using the Wingman. This tells you the whole story.

@LordloshBang The video you showed does imply that it can be used at range but the player in the video failed each time. Most of his mid range shots hit for 13, 14 or 28 damage wish is unimpressive. The fact that he attempted to use it at that range does imply that it can be done but its inconsistent at best.

This is obvious but you don't have to anticipate what weapon your opponent is using. Stick to the strengths of your weapons and you wont have an issue unless your opponent has a stronger weapon at your chosen range. Combat is more fluid then this so it's an annoying topic to discuss.

Lastly, yeah a lower skilled player used a Mastiff over a Wingman. They'd likely use an alternator over one too since the Wingman is a high skill gun. That says less about how OP the Mastiff may or not be and more about how difficult the Wingman is to use.

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@Zamaha400 wrote:

@LordloshBang The video you showed does imply that it can be used at range but the player in the video failed each time. Most of his mid range shots hit for 13, 14 or 28 damage wish is unimpressive. The fact that he attempted to use it at that range does imply that it can be done but its inconsistent at best.

This is obvious but you don't have to anticipate what weapon your opponent is using. Stick to the strengths of your weapons and you wont have an issue unless your opponent has a stronger weapon at your chosen range. Combat is more fluid then this so it's an annoying topic to discuss.

Lastly, yeah a lower skilled player used a Mastiff over a Wingman. They'd likely use an alternator over one too since the Wingman is a high skill gun. That says less about how OP the Mastiff may or not be and more about how difficult the Wingman is to use.

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I think it was quite obvious Hal was trolling on that video and he was spamming with the Mastiff, without even trying.

I have previously showed a video of Hal and many mores with a very big range, and how Mastiff is shooting for 52 damage.

Here is the image i root especially for you:

https://imgur.com/XB83hb5

In this situation Hal hit 52 damage in a ridiculous range.

Everyone who are not biased and play this game enough, know Mastiff can take you down in a range, that it shouldn`t do even hit you.

And here where it comes the problem. That no skill players, that are hard to aim with a gun, and their recoil kicks and they can`t kill you, while you are running, they just spam with the Mastiff and you are killed in a big distance with a shotgun, while running away. Here where it comes the problem, as you see in the Hal video, he was just spamming with, without even trying. And this happen, because of the big spread of the mastiff. You got like 5cm crosshair, and even my great-grandmother(let her rest in peace) will be able to take them down.

I`m playing Bangalore. I`m a master in escaping tight situation. And 99% of the time when i`m low HP and they are aiming with a R99, Flatline or R301, they can`t kill me, cause i know how to move and make them miss in a distance. In 99% in the same situation, doing the same thing i die to a Mastiff, cause of its wide spread range.

Weaving left-right, doing all the possible stuff, ain`t helping.

As far as the suggestion to stick at distance, this is not how the game works. This ain`t Warzone. Shotgun weapons should be exclusively strong in super close range. They should not be effective at all lets say in a SMG range, and be zero effective in AR range.

Eva8 is like that, its effective exclusively in short range(still way way weaker than Mastiff), and do exactly zero at any different range than close one.

Mastiff needs to be the same. 

And lastly did you even read? It was a pro 1vs1 tournament.

Mastiff is broken, since it was introduced to ground loot. Every pro and decent player knows its super OP. Everyone admits it, just a low tier player don`t want, cause its their tool to play this game semi-effectively.

@Xx__Miku831__xX Too tired to read the previous page at the moment. Obviously you can't turn and run away from a Mastiff user mid fight since he can just switch to his secondary weapon and pursue you. It's disrespectful to imply that's possible like it's disrespectful to suggest the Mastiff is a mid-range threat.

It does/did more damage than it should at that range but so does nearly every other weapon so it seemed dishonest and insulting to focus on that. R-99, Volt, Wingman being the primary weapons that ignore their theoretical range which some members of the community accepts because it takes some degree of skill. Not much skill for 2 of those guns to be honest.

I've maintained that shotguns should dominate at close range but I'm open to the idea that the Mastiff does a little to well here. Instead of focusing on that we've derailed into a sniper Mastiff debate which is honestly laughable to me.

As @MartimRosat mentions above the problem can be solved by tweaking or removing the shotgun bolt. Weakening it at all ranges while maintaining high damage close range shots.