Respawn/EA Please see this. Controller topic

first quote me right, then dont mix in posts from other people when adressing me and we can have a discussion.I dont defend stuff i didnt say.
HAL and Match1n literally said they switched to Controller bcs its OP in Close Combat, if you would have watched that vid i posted, you would have known.
And yea i trust a pros words more than a casual player on this topic, they simply have more insight to the case, because they earn their money with the game ... its called serious business.

@r1ggedgame The only video I see was posted by Sazabi so it's a little confusing what you mean. Yeah AA has an advantage up close and most players agree with that. Many would also be open to adjusting it even if the PC crowd had nothing to say about it. We mostly take issue with the comparison to mods/cheats as well as players making up weird abilities that AA/Controller apparently have that none of us controller players have ever experienced.

That video mentioned that his characters turns to track a strafing target even without input from the player. Maybe my skill level is so low that my character chooses not to do that but I have NEVER seen that so it makes it seem like people are slipping BS abilities into AA's kit.

I'd also be interested in a Pro's opinion since they may have insight into things I've never noticed or experienced but I never forget two things.

#1. Pros may be able to make use of tricks/abilities that the vast majority of the community can't so they can't speak on what the majority of the average players make use of.

#2. Pros can be biased and prone to exaggeration/emotional arguments like anyone else.

A Pro's words carry more weight than a casual player with illogical arguments but no more weight than anyone else with a reasonable point.

@heme725https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ulHMrgaVfk (video was posted here)
"Yeah AA has an advantage up close and most players agree with that."
That seems not to be the case, otherwise i would not post in here, but its nice that you acknowledge it. I was very specific in my posts focusing on that close range issue, not xim whatever ... never called it an Aimbot. Just that it is overpowerded in close range (visual clutter ect.), but yea some people still wouldn't agree ... but you can read up the other posts if you like.

@r1ggedgame I don't really see that though? They disagree with the video suggesting AA basically tracks for you. Disagree with comparing it to hacks/cheats/mods. May take issue with the use of the word "overpowered" or may maintain that fights aren't won or lost based on AA. It looks like you're taking their willingness to argue against you as being against your core point, however they haven't said so once.

Maybe they don't think AA has an advantage in close range but seems like you assumed that's what their saying. 

did you read the other thread ? 

@r1ggedgame
I don't need a direct quote to get the point across. It's just a smaller nutshell of the same thing.

And again you bring up more pros, not surprising. Don't you ever validate your opinions with your own experience? 
I've already pointed out why you can't take pros seriously on AA.
I saw your video, listened to it, and what I took away from it was a pro using a controversial topic to get more views from people like you.
He started with "this is what AA is and ended with I'm going to show you why it's op" and in his case he would have done just as well with mnk <---that is why you can't take the pro seriously.
They aren't the majority of the player base you will come across in game. The majority of the player base DOES NOT play like a pro does.
Yet for some reason you insist on believing that players that have AA play like gods at close range when I am direct proof that, that is so far from the truth.
If it were so op I'd be winning more games than I lose and I'd certainly have a higher kdr.
There's even been people telling you that they play on both and they prefer mnk over controller.
But you're so caught up in what Mr pro has to say you don't care about what anyone else says or their own personal experience.
So no. I'm not going to listen to a pro over what I've encountered actually playing on a controller, because as I've said before the pro can literally pick up the worst gun in the game, wipe over half the lobby with it, and say it's op when it is still the worst gun.

I'm going to listen to what normal people have to say, if they've struggled or if they did fine, and then I'm going to notice how it works out for me and base my opinions accordingly. 

I'm not going to base it off someone that does everything at a God lvl because that is unrealistic.

Does AA help in a close range fight? Sure, I'll give it that much, but I don't believe it's as op as it's being made out to be.

@r1ggedgame 

Here is something for you

These are some screen shots from arenas matches. I picked arenas because not only do I generally do better in that mode, I thought it would be easier to get closer to opponents.

I am the Maggie.

The first one is of a NO AA match where I was focused solely on getting close range damage as much as possible ending with 655.

The second is another NO AA match where I was trying for any kind of damage, close, long knocked players. As you can see we were severely out matched by our scores and lack of kills and assist. 343 dmg.

The third is an AA match where at first I was solely focused on getting close ranged damage, we were about to lose it was the last round and if it had ended like I thought, I would have ended with 480 dmg. 480! That's less than my NO AA attempt. However we started making a come back, I started using Maggie's drill more and even started doing long ranged damage and even got a couple hits with a care package 30-30. It ended up being a good match. Ending with 787 dmg.

And the last one ended up being my actual sole attempt of an AA close range dmg bout. I tried to get as much as I could and still ended with 523 dmg. 

I used the alternator (except for when I picked up the 30-30) in all of these matches, upgrading it as much as I could each round.

All in all it's been a very hard thing to even attempt to test out with such inconsistent lobbies. 

 Having no AA my close range was indeed sloppy, but seeing the results I really don't think it ranges much differently than with the AA on. 

I spent a good amount (more than I usually play) last week playing with it off and it seems turning it back on my aim assisted aim has improved a tad bit. 

Even before, my average range for damage was anywhere between 200 and 600. Only hitting 1k twice. 

I'm always the one getting the least damage, idk if thats because I choose to run alt over more powerful guns or my crap aim, both, or what. 

I honestly don't expect you or anyone to believe any of this or for it to even matter because I'm not some pro who knows everything, but there it is.

@r1ggedgame
I'm not twisting anything. I have literally said what you have said in a smaller version.
You have said in both this topic and the other that "I was the only one that was right about MM being rigged. I'm right about this- you'll see."
Vs my
"I was right about MM so I'm right about this." Same thing smaller words. Get over yourself.
And what i said was it helped a bit. Now who's the one twisting things to their own gain?? Because how did I know you'd jump on that the moment you saw it and ignore everything else.
I did not say aa gave me advantages over other players like you insinuate.

 Yet you call other people broken records.. Idk how many times someone has to tell you, you do not go against pros on a normal basis.

You just don't want to accept the data I have supplied from my own experience because I'm not some pro streamer. 

You whine and say the only people that don't accept that AA is op are the lvl 3 sock puppets but guess what,

My damage ratio is within range with and without AA, and if a super casual player like me can have that kind of range only playing without AA for a little over a week roughly an hr each time, then I doubt for the more experienced players, not having aa wouldn't affect them long or lower their damage amounts. 

since you dont seem to know , here is a little tutorial on how to do it :
https://www.scribbr.com/working-with-sources/how-to-quote/
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Hey folks,

Just a reminder to keep things civil and respectful as this sort of topic tends to get a bit heated.

Let's just be sure we're keeping the discussion focused on the matter at hand and not getting personal. Thanks for the discussion and feedback thus far!