(Season 9) Octane Nerf Feedback

@031567Lol its an advantage that can be used 3 times by the time an air strike and black hole recharge and can be used to get out of both. Like seriously I enjoy playing Octane have you ever jump padded someone out of the final circle? That is one of the best things I have ever done. But right now he is a very strong legend who is incredibly annoying to play against. No1 wants him to be hit too hard this is just a nice compromise to satisfy haters because there are a lot of them around right now if you haven't noticed and talking * to them isn't going to help you it just turns you into one of those shotty wraith mains who cries and *. Be better my guy.

Also wraith has been incredibly strong till this season and she is still dam good.

Octane already have pretty much one of the worst ult ING, thats the reason the CD is so low. It was garbage pre-season 8, now its a tier above garbage.

People(other legends) have ult like Gibraltar or Horizon or Revenant, BH, Caustic that are game deciding ult, and Octane throws up in there a jump pad ..... Nice joke for real ....

His whole kit is on him, pretty much no help to the team. He is a standing duck in the air.

And Horizon player to come and complain about Octane, this is just next level stuffs....

Horizon tactical is better than the whole Octane kit altogether ....

Nothing hard to play against Octane. Actually the only thing that is pretty much hard to counter is, you just can`t escape against Octane.

And yeah Octane was garbage up until very late season. And he have been an actual worth of playing legend in just this season ....

So he deserve to stay there. Again, the only thing that maybe need to be nerf is to make her passive to regenerate from 1.5 to 1.0 HP. Nothing else needs to be touched.

You are still a super easy target on his jump pad, you have accuracy penalty on it as well. And you are up in the air for the taking.

Way way way better reposition abilities in the game.

And yeah he was picked in pub, because he is a fun character, that can`t shut his mouth, its a man, and thats why he was picked in Pub. But pretty much no one picked him in high ranked, and no one ever touched him in competition.

And lets not act, that his pick at competition and High ranked now is super High. Yeah there is people that are playing him, but its not like the whole lobby is playing Octane, thats not the case.

And NO, i`m not Octane player, i`m Bangalore one.

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@031567 wrote:
@LordloshBangLook I think Octane's fine where he's at right now. And I don't think his passive needs nerfed; because his upcoming nerf makes his stim do more personal damage; and he can do it more often. Stim doesn't need nerfed because: well without that you might as well play Wraith who moves 30% faster. (and is invincible while moving). And the jump-pad doesn't need nerfed because one Octane has to compete with Pathfinder's grapple and it's really his ONLY squad ability. he neds it as often as possible. The nerf coming is PERFECT; balances damage and stim usage. I always hated the 4 sec delay, BUT now you are more likely to get killed more often de to having lower health.

Octane's role: Damage; means jumping in, fighting, and getting out in some manner or way.

Why's Wraith Damage? She can push with her squad with a portal, fight and get out with her tactical or portal again.

Why's Octane damage? He can push with his squad with a jump-pad, fight and get out with his tactical or jump-pad again.

SHOW ME THE DIFFERENCE!!!! ANYONE!

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I never ask a nerf for Octane. I think he is okay as it is. But if they decide to nerf him, the only thing that maybe he need to be, its to just make the passive regenerate life from 1.5 sec. to 1.0 second. Then if the player wanna spam his stim, he will be in disadvantage due to way lower hp.

Octane hitbox is fine, but the guy is Wraith legend and is pissed to the whole world, that he don`t know how to use her kit, and he blame the world for it. Its pretty much sums it up.:D
Wraith is still more useful than Octane in most cases. And if her LP gets removed, she will be tier above him again.

@LordloshBangAdding 15 seconds will still keep it as the ult with the shortest cool down. BH ult is no where near game deciding and Gibbys can't be used everywhere. Octane pads have caused me plenty of grief as Caustic and Gibby I've had barrels, domes, grenades, and ults bounced way off be cause of them(just speaking on the annoying factor of Octane not holding it against him those where my fault). Octane can be a huge help to the team and his jump pads are great, if he wasn't then pros wouldn't run him.

Pros have shown that wraith is still the safest most effective way to reposition. However I can argue Octane's jump pad is the most versatile and useful way to maneuver through the maps.
1. Speed wraiths portal takes time and can't get to high places like Octane pad.
2. Horizon is only really good for high ground not for traveling great distances to engage or disengage from a fight.
3. Paths zip is literally a linear way to travel which makes you much easier to shoot also can take more time to set up because it has to meet certain conditions. It also can't be destroyed so it can be used against you. You also can't heal while using the port or zip.

Once again tho I'm just agreeing about a small nerf to cd for his ult. Honestly tho I feel the main problem is audio with the octane because there are times I can't hear him stim or jump.

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@Ironflower196 wrote:

@LordloshBangAdding 15 seconds will still keep it as the ult with the shortest cool down. BH ult is no where near game deciding and Gibbys can't be used everywhere. Octane pads have caused me plenty of grief as Caustic and Gibby I've had barrels, domes, grenades, and ults bounced way off be cause of them(just speaking on the annoying factor of Octane not holding it against him those where my fault). Octane can be a huge help to the team and his jump pads are great, if he wasn't then pros wouldn't run him.

Pros have shown that wraith is still the safest most effective way to reposition. However I can argue Octane's jump pad is the most versatile and useful way to maneuver through the maps.
1. Speed wraiths portal takes time and can't get to high places like Octane pad.
2. Horizon is only really good for high ground not for traveling great distances to engage or disengage from a fight.
3. Paths zip is literally a linear way to travel which makes you much easier to shoot also can take more time to set up because it has to meet certain conditions. It also can't be destroyed so it can be used against you. You also can't heal while using the port or zip.

Once again tho I'm just agreeing about a small nerf to cd for his ult. Honestly tho I feel the main problem is audio with the octane because there are times I can't hear him stim or jump.

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BH ult is a game deciding. And its 100x time better than Octane one. Octane ult won`t help you get out of place, if there is enemy chasing you, it will help to killed you faster, cause you will be a duck in the air. It was way worst before tho.

BH ult is giving you a huge speed advantage, and on top of that, its give you and your team a free ESP hack.

Yeah its a game changer for sure.

And lets be real here. Its not like every team is using him in competition. TSM experimented with him, but a lot of team are still not using it.

Yeah its pick rate goes up with the changes.

But again he was garbage through the whole game existent. He deserve to be strong now. And he is strong, but still have a lot of drawbacks to his kit.

As your points, Octane jump pad is definitely a great tool when enemies don`t know you are coming, and for third party.

But if they see you, they will beam you in the sky, cause the movement is 100% straight, unless you have bad vertical aim.

For disengaging it could be useful, but it could make you kill.

Still there is game where its going to win it, and games where its going to kill you.
These past days were watching Hal stream  from recent tourny, where he decide to jump on a team using the Jump Pad, the guy beamed him straight away, and TSM was wiped. That move pretty much cost them the game.

Its a hit or miss.

Portal is 100% safe. Still better in million situation. I will take Horizon Q any days of the week compare to Octane Jump Pad as well.

Again don`t get me wrong there is a reason why people are using him. He is strong, and its give you huge speed and maneuver options.

But its not OP/Broken, and just because its strong, that doesn`t mean he deserve to be tooned down. If something is broken in his kit i would agree.

As far as audio goes i have never ever have problem with Octane audio. Its the loudest legend by far. I can hear him way behind me, when he is chasing me.

@LordloshBangGame changing and game deciding are 2 different things. Guys don't win games with a BH ult and now that I think about it they don't with Revanant ult either as you stated previously. Revanant has the 2nd lowest win percentage. Devs have also said that while Octane and BH have top 5 pick rates neither are winners. Bh is more useful than Octane no doubt about it.

I think you focus a little too much on pro play, not that it doesn't make a difference, but let's think apex overall. Octane is not that easy to hit unless he is a straight shot for most players. There are reasons lots of people put him A teir along with wraith and BH. I definitely agree he is not OP or broken by any stretch, but neither was Caustic and he got hit hard.

It's not numbers or value that they are going to netf him on its that he is annoying to play against. Caustics numbers outside late game were nothing to warrant the nerf he got. We all seem to view things a bit differently on here I'm not a let's nerf Octane cause I hate him, he is my 4th in games played and kills. But a nerf is likely coming because lots of players find him annoying and I hope they treat him like wraith with small nerfs as opposed to Caustic or pathfinder.

@LordloshBangOnce again you are talking about high level play and not the game overall. Yes the higher you go the more skilled can use the information that blood hound provides but that does not decided a game. Who cares if you can run fast and know where the other team is when you have a gibby ult landing on your entire team and you either have to tank damage and get killed or run out of your cover and get killed. Same with Caustic and Horizons ult(if you have nades). Bh helps teams make decisions and provides information. That helps teams win but late game you want a gibby, horizon, or Caustic because their utls will actually win you games by themselves. That is why they have high win percentages and BH doesn't.

As for Revanant his ult is a 2 edged sword that can win or lose you games if you watch so much high level play you should see how when teams rev ult other teams will come and camp it or take it themselves.

Then by your logic BH, Gibby, wraith, and Horizon should all be nerfed because they they are used the most at high level play. No you are supposed to do what is best for the game itself and the player bass that shows support for it. Doesn't matter if they are low skilled, it should be overall players, but I will say that the higher skilled players say should matter a little more.

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@Ironflower196 wrote:

@LordloshBangOnce again you are talking about high level play and not the game overall. Yes the higher you go the more skilled can use the information that blood hound provides but that does not decided a game. Who cares if you can run fast and know where the other team is when you have a gibby ult landing on your entire team and you either have to tank damage and get killed or run out of your cover and get killed. Same with Caustic and Horizons ult(if you have nades). Bh helps teams make decisions and provides information. That helps teams win but late game you want a gibby, horizon, or Caustic because their utls will actually win you games by themselves. That is why they have high win percentages and BH doesn't.

As for Revanant his ult is a 2 edged sword that can win or lose you games if you watch so much high level play you should see how when teams rev ult other teams will come and camp it or take it themselves.

Then by your logic BH, Gibby, wraith, and Horizon should all be nerfed because they they are used the most at high level play. No you are supposed to do what is best for the game itself and the player bass that shows support for it. Doesn't matter if they are low skilled, it should be overall players, but I will say that the higher skilled players say should matter a little more.

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Of course i`m talking high gameplay, whats the point to talk about low level, where people don`t even know to use the legend properly, or they have potato aim, and they complain pretty much about everything.

A smart Bloodhound like Snip3down, Genburten or Apryze(when he used it) its absolutely deadly. Apryze was actually using BH long before getting the buff. After the buff he/they(whatever gender is) BH is really strong. Before that i actually got it on the same level as Bangalore.

And game deciding factor is not just the fight with the last team or by the end zone. You got to go there. Just like winning the World Cup is not just winning the final, you got to go there, to be able to fight for the title, you know.

And BH is still super useful, cause you know the position on the enemy pretty much all the time. Its 8 sec, but the scan last 4 seconds, so every 4 sec. you know the enemy location, which is crucial.

As far as Revenant ult, and i will bring Pub here as well, and lets say not low, but lets said mid gameplay. If you know what you are doing and how to use it, you are safe on 100%.

If you are playing without a brain, yeah you will get pwned in some situation.

But with a good game knowledge you will be same more than 90% of the time.

I still think Revenant is not used to its full potential, both in ranked, and in lower tier lobbies.

He is a strong legend, and have very solid qualities.

Some times people are lazy or fast to complain about, and just don`t see the play or potential to make a certain legend viable. And yeah even the Pros.

Will give simple example with MK10 and MK11. Liu Kang was pretty much unused in MK10, then Ninjakilla come to the scene and start body every single pro in the game, it was literally a massacre. The character was broken all the time, but no one see the potential or the right play to make it viable, and that character has literally no weakness, and no counter whatsoever.

I kinda see the same in Revenant.

His silence is super strong tool to shut pretty much every legend both tactical and ulty for a huge 25 sec. The visuality of the ability itself its super annoying, its cloud your screen and you can`t see a thing.

His passive is super useful for integrating a solid crouch strafing pattern.

And his ult for me its super super strong. Its give you

It was nice to chat with you. But i think we both wasted too much time on this, when we could have place this time in a better use.

So lets just agree to disagree and move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFr4GgySpro

Check this video on Hal in some tournament, where he play with Reps and BH, and how important BH is at any stage. They knew the enemy position all the time, and Hal was able to land Kraber shots, they knew exactly where the enemy team is going to move, and this give them a huge advantage. Almost every pro team that have good thinking is using it now. This is viable to Crypto as well. To know the enemy position is a crucial in any given game.

Quick example, give a CS:GO PRO a WH, and he will dominate every single match. Also main reason why so many people are cheating on Warzone, and CS:GO with ESP/WH.

If you got the mechanical skill, this is crucial.

And let me get back to Octane and his jump pad. Check in Hal video when they were outside of the tunnel top 5 squads left, and a team decide to reposition with Octane Jump Pad, they were literally destroyed, before they even land. If they got Wraith that wouldn`t have happen, cause he can portal, and then just a insta Q and move her team 100% safely. This also shows how important BH is, to know the exact position on them all, pretty much all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFr4GgySpro

The fight starts around 5:00 minutes.

Not saying Octane is useless, but i`m saying his Jump Pad is situational. And using it to reposition in High Ranked, Competitive in such scenario will just get you and your team killed.

There is many visible strategy, and you can make a case for Horizon, Wraith and Octane, being 1 of the legends, but the rest for me are 100% spot on BH and Gibraltar.

And there is nothing wrong with it.

As far as balancing goes i have said it million times, a good Devs balancing their gameplay towards high level of play.

Its the same for fighting game, for RPG, for ARPG, for FPS, for BR, for MMORPG, for Fighting game and so.

And i`m  saying that knowing that i`m very far from the highest possible level of play, but i understand why it should be that way.

P.P. This is the clip i was talking about Hal using Jump Pad that led to his insta death.

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrazyExquisiteAlligatorKlappa-gyt6-51G8Y9fSWJb

@031567 Where are you getting this trash idea? No Legend is or has ever been trash.

Octane-Revenant meta completely dominated KC Ranked and it’s a terrible meta that needs to be nerfed. Which is why they’re nerfing Octane.

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@CompleatBeet wrote:

@031567 Where are you getting this trash idea? No Legend is or has ever been trash.

Octane-Revenant meta completely dominated KC Ranked and it’s a terrible meta that needs to be nerfed. Which is why they’re nerfing Octane.

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For how long you are playing this game, 2 months? No legend is or has ever been trash, that is a good laugh to be fair.

Octane, Mirage has been absolutely trash for pretty much till Season 5-6. Gibraltar was trash for very long period of time as well, before he was finally properly buffed. Crypto was trash for long time as well. BH was beyond terrible at one point. Revenant was trash.

Rampart and Fuse are totally trash now as well.

Legends balance in Apex Legends has been absolutely garbage.

They have 2 legends that were totally over the board - Wraith and Path, and the rest was just there to fill the cast. How long Competition and High play was pretty much 100% pick rate - Wraith, Path and Wattson.

It took them like a year and a half before starting buffing the rest, and there is still plenty of just not viable legends.