(Season 9) Octane Nerf Feedback
I’m just going to skip straight to the point... Octane’s Stim is not the problem, the problem is how often he can receive his jump pad because its at the same cool down as it was before the recent bu...
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@LordloshBangGame changing and game deciding are 2 different things. Guys don't win games with a BH ult and now that I think about it they don't with Revanant ult either as you stated previously. Revanant has the 2nd lowest win percentage. Devs have also said that while Octane and BH have top 5 pick rates neither are winners. Bh is more useful than Octane no doubt about it.
I think you focus a little too much on pro play, not that it doesn't make a difference, but let's think apex overall. Octane is not that easy to hit unless he is a straight shot for most players. There are reasons lots of people put him A teir along with wraith and BH. I definitely agree he is not OP or broken by any stretch, but neither was Caustic and he got hit hard.
It's not numbers or value that they are going to netf him on its that he is annoying to play against. Caustics numbers outside late game were nothing to warrant the nerf he got. We all seem to view things a bit differently on here I'm not a let's nerf Octane cause I hate him, he is my 4th in games played and kills. But a nerf is likely coming because lots of players find him annoying and I hope they treat him like wraith with small nerfs as opposed to Caustic or pathfinder.
@Ironflower196 Yeah they win games thanks to BH ult, you know the position on the enemy pretty much the whole time, thanks to his ult, and the low CD on his scan, while in his ult phase. And its not just you, but your entire team. You can peak at the right time and that is a game deciding, and game changing thing.
Its the same for Revenant. You are able to push without consequences.
If i`m to build a legend i would pick this 2 ult all day long, compare to Octane. And while Octane ult is useful in certain situation as i have previous state, at one point you are like o dear, why i don`t have Gibraltar ult in this fight or so. In a fight its pretty much gives nothing. It helps you significantly in movement, and its solid in Pub to quickly find teams, no doubt about it. Its obvious have its use in comp/high, but not much impact like a lot other ults.
I`m talking about High ranked and competition. Revenant is still not played to his potential. He still have deciding ult, that is a huge + to the team.
And i`m bringing a high level of play, cause this is the way a game is and should be balancing. If you balance towards low skilled players, then you have a problem and will end up in a mess.
Most of them are just blaming on everything that kills them. They refuse to improve, they refuse to get better, and refuse to learn how to counter stuffs. Its not just in Apex, its in any game.
Now players are picking Octane more frequently due to buffs and they are complaining all over the place. Its the same with Spitfire. The weapon is pretty much the same, just + 1 damage, but because is picked way way more, and people are just on low level and get deleted by it, they blame the weapon, and not themself and the reason why get killed or how to play and or counter the weapon.
As far as tiers i already have stated that he is very strong now. But he deserve it. He is definitely A tier. If we look as a solo play(lets say like ShivFPS is doing) he maybe even an S tier legend.
Its the same for Revenant. You are able to push without consequences.
If i`m to build a legend i would pick this 2 ult all day long, compare to Octane. And while Octane ult is useful in certain situation as i have previous state, at one point you are like o dear, why i don`t have Gibraltar ult in this fight or so. In a fight its pretty much gives nothing. It helps you significantly in movement, and its solid in Pub to quickly find teams, no doubt about it. Its obvious have its use in comp/high, but not much impact like a lot other ults.
I`m talking about High ranked and competition. Revenant is still not played to his potential. He still have deciding ult, that is a huge + to the team.
And i`m bringing a high level of play, cause this is the way a game is and should be balancing. If you balance towards low skilled players, then you have a problem and will end up in a mess.
Most of them are just blaming on everything that kills them. They refuse to improve, they refuse to get better, and refuse to learn how to counter stuffs. Its not just in Apex, its in any game.
Now players are picking Octane more frequently due to buffs and they are complaining all over the place. Its the same with Spitfire. The weapon is pretty much the same, just + 1 damage, but because is picked way way more, and people are just on low level and get deleted by it, they blame the weapon, and not themself and the reason why get killed or how to play and or counter the weapon.
As far as tiers i already have stated that he is very strong now. But he deserve it. He is definitely A tier. If we look as a solo play(lets say like ShivFPS is doing) he maybe even an S tier legend.
- @LordloshBang Man; you're doing Great!
Look so I can stop this thread; OCTANE IS GOING TO BE PERFECT AFTER THIS NERF COMING.
I'll say it one more time: Everyone else has been nerfed recently in the past few seasons like Revenant, Wraith, Path or Horizon and are and weren't prepared for Octane's "ascension" in Season 8. Octane's not op. and he isn't an issue. Once everyone else get's buffed and given power back Octane will slowly fall back to almost where he was.
Remember when Caustic was deadly? + Octane stim damage? That was a nightmare. But now that Caustic traps don't do much Octane can do more than previous seasons. THE SAME WITH EVERY OTHER LEGEND! Almost everyone has been nerfed in some capacity allowing Octane to be great. Once (for example) Wraith got buffed to her original self. (No one would be playing Octane).
Does anyone see my point? Octane since day 1 has either had no buffs, underpowered and terrible hitbox. Every other legend has been overpowered or average and today/modernly/presently. They have been nerfed. Well Octane has finally after such a long period of waiting has been buffed. When other legends like Caustic or Wraith has been nerfed to death.
My point is just leave Octane alone (because if you don't you'll screw him up and he just won't be able to compete.) Just give most of the nerfed legends some of their original power back.
Just ask yourself; would Octane be top 5 if Caustic, Wraith, Horizon, Path, Revenant, etc. All got buffed? @LordloshBangOnce again you are talking about high level play and not the game overall. Yes the higher you go the more skilled can use the information that blood hound provides but that does not decided a game. Who cares if you can run fast and know where the other team is when you have a gibby ult landing on your entire team and you either have to tank damage and get killed or run out of your cover and get killed. Same with Caustic and Horizons ult(if you have nades). Bh helps teams make decisions and provides information. That helps teams win but late game you want a gibby, horizon, or Caustic because their utls will actually win you games by themselves. That is why they have high win percentages and BH doesn't.
As for Revanant his ult is a 2 edged sword that can win or lose you games if you watch so much high level play you should see how when teams rev ult other teams will come and camp it or take it themselves.
Then by your logic BH, Gibby, wraith, and Horizon should all be nerfed because they they are used the most at high level play. No you are supposed to do what is best for the game itself and the player bass that shows support for it. Doesn't matter if they are low skilled, it should be overall players, but I will say that the higher skilled players say should matter a little more.
@Ironflower196 wrote:@LordloshBangOnce again you are talking about high level play and not the game overall. Yes the higher you go the more skilled can use the information that blood hound provides but that does not decided a game. Who cares if you can run fast and know where the other team is when you have a gibby ult landing on your entire team and you either have to tank damage and get killed or run out of your cover and get killed. Same with Caustic and Horizons ult(if you have nades). Bh helps teams make decisions and provides information. That helps teams win but late game you want a gibby, horizon, or Caustic because their utls will actually win you games by themselves. That is why they have high win percentages and BH doesn't.
As for Revanant his ult is a 2 edged sword that can win or lose you games if you watch so much high level play you should see how when teams rev ult other teams will come and camp it or take it themselves.
Then by your logic BH, Gibby, wraith, and Horizon should all be nerfed because they they are used the most at high level play. No you are supposed to do what is best for the game itself and the player bass that shows support for it. Doesn't matter if they are low skilled, it should be overall players, but I will say that the higher skilled players say should matter a little more.Of course i`m talking high gameplay, whats the point to talk about low level, where people don`t even know to use the legend properly, or they have potato aim, and they complain pretty much about everything.
A smart Bloodhound like Snip3down, Genburten or Apryze(when he used it) its absolutely deadly. Apryze was actually using BH long before getting the buff. After the buff he/they(whatever gender is) BH is really strong. Before that i actually got it on the same level as Bangalore.
And game deciding factor is not just the fight with the last team or by the end zone. You got to go there. Just like winning the World Cup is not just winning the final, you got to go there, to be able to fight for the title, you know.
And BH is still super useful, cause you know the position on the enemy pretty much all the time. Its 8 sec, but the scan last 4 seconds, so every 4 sec. you know the enemy location, which is crucial.
As far as Revenant ult, and i will bring Pub here as well, and lets say not low, but lets said mid gameplay. If you know what you are doing and how to use it, you are safe on 100%.
If you are playing without a brain, yeah you will get pwned in some situation.
But with a good game knowledge you will be same more than 90% of the time.
I still think Revenant is not used to its full potential, both in ranked, and in lower tier lobbies.
He is a strong legend, and have very solid qualities.
Some times people are lazy or fast to complain about, and just don`t see the play or potential to make a certain legend viable. And yeah even the Pros.
Will give simple example with MK10 and MK11. Liu Kang was pretty much unused in MK10, then Ninjakilla come to the scene and start body every single pro in the game, it was literally a massacre. The character was broken all the time, but no one see the potential or the right play to make it viable, and that character has literally no weakness, and no counter whatsoever.
I kinda see the same in Revenant.
His silence is super strong tool to shut pretty much every legend both tactical and ulty for a huge 25 sec. The visuality of the ability itself its super annoying, its cloud your screen and you can`t see a thing.
His passive is super useful for integrating a solid crouch strafing pattern.
And his ult for me its super super strong. Its give you
It was nice to chat with you. But i think we both wasted too much time on this, when we could have place this time in a better use.
So lets just agree to disagree and move on.
- @LordloshBang All levels matter, but like I said I do think higher levels should matter more. It's the game as a whole. I don't know what you consider low level players but I now know 2 Mirage players who make it to diamond every season and swear he is the best legend in the game so it's not just low level players that don't know what they are talking about sometimes.
There are a lot of game deciding factors BH is almost a must have on any decent team. But with the logic you gave me lifelines ult can be a game deciding ult which is what we were talking about. Lifeline can drop her carepackage with a fresh purple shield and some heals and that can be the game deciding factor. Very few legends are as useful as BH, and as good at getting you to the world cup. But game deciding ult is what ends the match. You can throw any of the ults I mentioned before and that be the last thing you need to do. I have killed 2 teams with gibbys ult at the end and not have done anything else at least twice in ranked gameplay.
I don't want to take too long or get much deeper into revanant because I don't have to pro or masters and up game knowledge that you seem to have. I can see him being more useful in higher ranks so we will see.
I was thinking the same thing as you when I saw your lengthy post we won't find common ground in this case and we have gotten off the topic of the post, but it was a good talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFr4GgySpro
Check this video on Hal in some tournament, where he play with Reps and BH, and how important BH is at any stage. They knew the enemy position all the time, and Hal was able to land Kraber shots, they knew exactly where the enemy team is going to move, and this give them a huge advantage. Almost every pro team that have good thinking is using it now. This is viable to Crypto as well. To know the enemy position is a crucial in any given game.
Quick example, give a CS:GO PRO a WH, and he will dominate every single match. Also main reason why so many people are cheating on Warzone, and CS:GO with ESP/WH.
If you got the mechanical skill, this is crucial.
And let me get back to Octane and his jump pad. Check in Hal video when they were outside of the tunnel top 5 squads left, and a team decide to reposition with Octane Jump Pad, they were literally destroyed, before they even land. If they got Wraith that wouldn`t have happen, cause he can portal, and then just a insta Q and move her team 100% safely. This also shows how important BH is, to know the exact position on them all, pretty much all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFr4GgySpro
The fight starts around 5:00 minutes.
Not saying Octane is useless, but i`m saying his Jump Pad is situational. And using it to reposition in High Ranked, Competitive in such scenario will just get you and your team killed.
There is many visible strategy, and you can make a case for Horizon, Wraith and Octane, being 1 of the legends, but the rest for me are 100% spot on BH and Gibraltar.
And there is nothing wrong with it.
As far as balancing goes i have said it million times, a good Devs balancing their gameplay towards high level of play.
Its the same for fighting game, for RPG, for ARPG, for FPS, for BR, for MMORPG, for Fighting game and so.
And i`m saying that knowing that i`m very far from the highest possible level of play, but i understand why it should be that way.
P.P. This is the clip i was talking about Hal using Jump Pad that led to his insta death.
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrazyExquisiteAlligatorKlappa-gyt6-51G8Y9fSWJb
@031567 Where are you getting this trash idea? No Legend is or has ever been trash.
Octane-Revenant meta completely dominated KC Ranked and it’s a terrible meta that needs to be nerfed. Which is why they’re nerfing Octane.
@CompleatBeet wrote:@031567 Where are you getting this trash idea? No Legend is or has ever been trash.
Octane-Revenant meta completely dominated KC Ranked and it’s a terrible meta that needs to be nerfed. Which is why they’re nerfing Octane.
For how long you are playing this game, 2 months? No legend is or has ever been trash, that is a good laugh to be fair.
Octane, Mirage has been absolutely trash for pretty much till Season 5-6. Gibraltar was trash for very long period of time as well, before he was finally properly buffed. Crypto was trash for long time as well. BH was beyond terrible at one point. Revenant was trash.
Rampart and Fuse are totally trash now as well.
Legends balance in Apex Legends has been absolutely garbage.
They have 2 legends that were totally over the board - Wraith and Path, and the rest was just there to fill the cast. How long Competition and High play was pretty much 100% pick rate - Wraith, Path and Wattson.
It took them like a year and a half before starting buffing the rest, and there is still plenty of just not viable legends.
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