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3 years ago

SMOKE GRENADES AS GROUND LOOT

Repositioning is an essential part when playing Apex, especially when getting third party'd. I think the ability to create gap between you and enemy squad and repositioning is what smoke grenades wil...

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XxColdFangxX

3 years ago

@heme725Again we already have scanning attachments and legends that can do this. Digital threat. Bloodhound, seer.
Scans don't need to be permanent. If they are it's too op and ruins the game.
Sure I can agree that things don't work as intended in the game, but that's the players issues for not knowing how to work together. Still doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
In all honesty they probably wouldn't be used nearly as much as termites or frags, but the excuses of team work or needing work arounds for it to fit into the game is a poor one at best.

Your team isn't always going to have a Bangalore on it to provide a smokey cover for a get away or a rez, but you know what teams have on them a majority of the time? A scanning legend, and there really isn't much of a work around for that other than reposition yourself when it wears off or hope you're good enough to hold your own when the enemy team comes.

I can imagine if someone did have a smoke grenade, if they pop it too soon, scan legends can just pick them up through it. However if the scan goes first then the grenade it could be a helpful escape.

It really doesn't seem that big an issue to me like yourself and helper are trying to make it out to be.

heme725

3 years ago

@XxColdFangxX Yes we have a Scan meta problem already and that's my point. I'm slightly concerned that equipment that necessitates more scans would make the community dig into such Legends more. I'd definitely switch to Bloodhound if every enemy team I fought tried to smoke their way away from me. It's simply common sense.

I'm also not making it out to be a big deal. My stance is that the change wouldn't break the game but it may irritate more players than it benefits. I personally dislike it and I'm making an amateur attempt to predict how players will adapt to such a change. My viewpoint is negative but I obviously can't be sure how things will play out.

XxColdFangxX
3 years ago
@heme725
Guess it really depends on how you like to play.
I'm not going to opt to a scan legends over a legend I'm more comfortable playing on the off chance the team I encounter is going to have smokes.
Even with out smokes, how often do you come across teams with scan legends? I really don't think the addition of a grenade is going to impact that number so much more than it already is.
I also highly doubt that every team you encounter would use just smokes as a way to escape.
People escape without them as is. It's just part of the game play.
Just about every fps game has a smoke grenade additive and they don't even have scan things to bypass it. It's a logical item to have in a battleground setting.
There's also the fact that people will probably still prefer damaging with frags or thermite, or the Arc shield damage over a means of escape.
You can't accurately predict how the players will react to such an addition when there are so many different ways that people play the game.
When you come out of the gate biasing your opinion with inaccuracies, it looks like making mountains out of mole hills.
For the people who'd want to use a smoke grenade, I'm not about to say it's a 'bad idea' because of inability to predict how it will turn out or because of how the already bad scan meta might be affected.
Your prediction could also be right, but we won't know until it's an actual thing.
Notice how I said it wasn't a bad idea. Not that it was a great one. I'm not 100% on board with a smoke grenade. A smaller consumable version of what Bangalore does is feasible, but because of the scan meta, I don't see it getting much use. If given the option I'd take a thermite over a smoke, but if that's the only thing around I'd grab it and perhaps use it if needed.
Both you and helper argued that to have smoke grenades then you need a legend to counter it and I just don't find that true. There are other ways to counter a smoke besides seeing through it. Throw a frag or thermite in there. Shoot randomly, charge in yourself and hope for the best or predict where the enemy will go. It's not a brick wall.
There was also a lot of other opinions I just don't see the logic behind and I voiced my own explanations for them.
Imo the scan legends need to go. Maybe not entirely but their scanning shouldn't be finding people. I'm all for legends that have unique abilities, but when it comes to things like wall hacks they should be limited to an in game item like the digital threat where not almost every team is going to have one.
Maybe a heart beat sensor that's either consumed on use or has a very limited time frame with a cool down period.
Having legends with the abilities like bloodhound and seer makes legends like Bangalore pointless. I hardly ever see her in game.
But I can already imagine the player outcry if they were taken away now.
I also don't think legends should be made to counter another. Their abilities are supposed to be unique so when you have one that can just flip the switch on another's abilities it kind of defeats the purpose. Being able to handle it outside the ability is fine. I.e shooting caustic traps, rampart barriers, or killing an opponent being rez by LL drone. Those are balanced obstacles to over come, but if you need another legend to get the job done, like how Valk could get to certain places no other legend could and you were screwed unless you had top notch sniper aim or a Valk yourself, then something's wrong.