So why do people want low kill times

I fail to understand why giving reaction time compresses the skill gap so much because if the player who was jumped on is less capable theyd still lose, even if its even the player already lost a chunk of hp and would need to perform better to survive. The way I see it more hp requires the assaulter to actually follow through on their assault rather than just ride the surprise attack to victory. EDIT It would also make full success wipes more rewarding because you will have coordinated with your team or just nailed so many headshots, or something like that.

The skill in Halo was landing headshots which killed faster, you could outplay your opponents with better aim. A less skilled player would aim for the body, get outplayed by the high skilled player who landed headshots.

You still had snipers in Halo that would one bullet kill with a headshot, they required twitch skills. A normal gunfight would came down to which player could stay on target, hit the most headshots while staffing and that takes skill. A game like Halo had a very high skill ceiling.

yes, it did but Apex isn't Halo.

Okay I'll chime in. But first kudo's to both @ragnarokfps  and @xMaracmanx for having a civil convo while expressing their own views. On the internet that's rare XD.

I think people want lower TTKs because they are used to it by now. It's probably engrained due to the amount of shooters that's been in the gaming industry since it's inception. Let's take CoD as a franchise for instance since it has the highest community rating (own words, don't quote me on it). CoD is almost synonymous with fast paced action/TTK. Arguebly one of the reason why ppl play it. Look at blackout and the whole debacle of lvl 3 armour. It takes too long to kill someone and ppl don't want that in CoD. So it's been nerfed, nerfed and nerfed again.
(Srry for this I know the difference but ppl still have misconceptions about this game). Titanfall is arguebly the same in the way of fast action, but ttk is a lil higher than CoD. People still tend to think of this game as a weird 2.5 version of titanfall. With that comes a fast ttk I think and this is speculation. I played both titanfalls extensively and I can say that this game has a higher ttk than both WHEN you have armor. Without armour it's basically titanfall's ttk. Earlier this morning for example. I had the P20 pistol and was facing an enemy without a gun. I hit almost all shots from less than 4 feet but still had to almost shoot 2 clips in him for him to go down. If he had a weapon I'd be screwed. Lets say for argument's sake I missed 3 shots. I still had to hit him with more than 14 bullets for him to die and he had lvl 1 armour. That is alot of time if you're not going for headshots.

I don't however want lower TTKs. Maybe just buff the guns a bit but basically ppl think of the guns like each having their own strengths and flaws. It's true to a degree but you can't expect 2 equally good ppl who have 2 very different guns, lets say one has an LMG and one shotgun and it's close range, that the Shotgun guy is likely to win. Lets say he knows he's good, but also prideful and rages 'I HAD HIM, THIS LMG SUCKS. BUFF IT' to actually get his wish granted. Some guns just suck in certain regards and that's always been the case in the titanfall universe (I'm looking at you mozambique...).

This is my two cents regarding the issue. Hope you had a good read

Well all of the pistols i used felt bad to use. Weak and unsatisfying to shoot, idk if its just me being bad but i think they feel too much like sidearms when in fact theyre taking a primary slot? Maybe have a third pistol only slot? Ugh whats happening with these auth issues, anyway idk when to use P20 and RE, Mozambique spread seems horrible, I dont feel like writing everything again. 

Once my friend emptied a mozambique close range at a downed enemy and didnt kill them. From then on wed rather go punch people than even touch a Mozambique again. EDIT coulda been he missed in his jumping panic but I was spectating it and he had his crosshairs on his target, idk how wide that spread is.

@MrUncleLeon, wait, did I say the LMG would win? If so I meant shotgun. But the reason I brought up those two weapons and the circumstances (close range, both equally good players) is just as you stated; the situation. If you just have the weapons and players without any tacticals and it's an open area, thats why the shotgun would win, cause it's a CQC weapon and an LMG isn't. If distance was the factor instead close range, the LMG would win.

The comparison is of course different, but it was more to set the TTK mood 😜

EDIT: @MrUncleLeon you were right. I put LMG guy XD. You have to forgive me, just woke up and headed straight for this forum while also apping XD. Got distracted probably. I of course meant shotgun in close range

Okay thinking a bit more on the frustration of shields in the late stages. Specifically the smg problem. Maybe buff the smgs so that they do marginally more damage to shields? Or make shields slightly more resistant to single shot bursts and slightly less resistant to rapid fire? If that can be done technically? Basically if youre in optimal range with an smg ur rewarded (but not disgustingly so, only slightly so it feels better) But you still have a buffer against being wiped out in 2-3 shots.

Sure but we are talking about a downed person xD Probably just his * but didnt seem like that.

I mean neither of us had experience with the gun that much, he had that and I got punched to death while trying to get a headshot, our mistakes but the spread seems so wide. EDIT Yes Im bad pls no bulli.

lol looks like none of u believe me but its a lovely gun. People gets crazy when someone is so close to u and jumps a lot front of u hahahah. Yesterday I rushed with Wraith to an opponent and punched in the face and I laughed so hard because he/she may be is so scary shooting all over the place. I need to record this in GFE.

@Koochi-Q  Its okay (: when I read I understood it to be an open field scenario

I mean its not that I dont believe you but rather that its definetly underwhelming like all the other pistols save Wingman, why take mozam when you can have EVA, why take p20 when you can have scout or r301, and yes you might not find any of them but i believe thats a low chance, and even if you dont, others will and you wont be able to hold a candle to any of them, like i said they feel like sidearms trying to be primaries, i think a third pistol only slot would help them find a use. Thats my impression though and I could be wrong.

Well thats why it should be pistol only no?

Topic should be: Why do some people want low kill times.

There is no way to get an opinion from everyone, probably less than 1% are active on these forums and reddit, rest just play the game.

Go and modify the game too much and the silent majority will simply stop playing if it does not feel good.

TTK isn't a problem, go look at some high skilled streamers, they absolutely wreck people in a very short time... Consistently.

yes streamers that have a full team that don't play solo

You could also say dont modify the game and the silent majority will simply stop playing as right now the TTK does not feel good, also with laggy players on 10hz servers = a joke. Most games have 30hz min. If respawn dont do something the player base they have now will just go away

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@Maun0_Mato wrote:

Topic should be: Why do some people want low kill times.

There is no way to get an opinion from everyone, probably less than 1% are active on these forums and reddit, rest just play the game.

Go and modify the game too much and the silent majority will simply stop playing if it does not feel good.

TTK isn't a problem, go look at some high skilled streamers, they absolutely wreck people in a very short time... Consistently.

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I've been of the silent group for a lot of other games, but I felt the need to speak up for this game, as I have lost a lot of games over the years to vocal groups on the internet who get their wish for changes no one i knew asked for, thus making me hate the game for what it has become and moving on. I'm very tired of moving on though, I have never played a game and went on a forum and demanded it be changed, i either liked it for what it was, or did not and moved on and let people who enjoy that, have it. So I never understand why people demand big changes of how a game plays.  But for some reason their is always a "lower the ttk" crowd, even though they have A LOT of games to fill that desire. I suspect most of the time anyway that the people who want change the most are fly by night players anyway who are unlikely to stick with it even after getting what they want, cause again, they have a lot of other options in that avenue anyway.

Yup I agree on all fronts, if you want low ttk br you got a veritable smorgasboard, let this be what it is.