Still no Effort to Stop Cheaters, Huh?
I really appreciate getting killed and proceeding to watch the player that killed me getting nothing but headshots on every target with flawless tracking. It's even more fun when I swap over to the n...
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@xTomboyRespecter I'm confused about what you want them to do about sites that share cheats? They can't just wave a wand and take them down? You want them to pay people to find cheating sites, purchase those cheats, decompile them and figure out how they're cheating, then patch it? So pay cheaters? Hell I'll throw up a website claiming CHEAP APEX HAX so Respawn can pay me! So many of those sites you see are absolute scams that just steal your money, should Respawn just endlessly throw money at them? Then they change their domain name and Respawn throws more money at them? That's just silly.
And even when you do find a legitimate cheat, the people making them would simply obfuscate the code to hide what they're doing. No matter what you do, the people making these cheats make big money, so they're not going to just roll over and die.
If there was a catch-all method to stop cheating we'd all love it, but there just isn't.
What I do agree with you on is that they SHOULD try to do more. Easy Anti-Cheat is aptly named for how easy it is to circumvent. I think it's important to acknowledge that it's not an easy issue to solve, as much as we'd like it to be, while also making sure to keep pushing them to improve.
I truly don't believe we'll ever see absolutely no hacking, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent as much of it as we can.
And even when you do find a legitimate cheat, the people making them would simply obfuscate the code to hide what they're doing. No matter what you do, the people making these cheats make big money, so they're not going to just roll over and die.
If there was a catch-all method to stop cheating we'd all love it, but there just isn't.
What I do agree with you on is that they SHOULD try to do more. Easy Anti-Cheat is aptly named for how easy it is to circumvent. I think it's important to acknowledge that it's not an easy issue to solve, as much as we'd like it to be, while also making sure to keep pushing them to improve.
I truly don't believe we'll ever see absolutely no hacking, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent as much of it as we can.
@Nightstick24 Thanks for your reply. While I understand your perspective, I have to respectfully disagree.
Cheat providers make money off of selling active cheats. Nobody is gonna buy cheats from a provider that can't keep their cheats active for longer than 24-48hrs. They'd have to privatize their cheats which would greatly limit their exposure and also limit the amount of players that'd be buying. Either way, they'd be economically crippled.
Even if they privatized their cheats they still couldn't make the amount of bankroll that they currently do unless they managed to hook a whale that'd be happy to pay thousands just so they can cheat. I'm sure somebody somewhere would be willing to fork up the cash but at the very least we wouldn't have the current situation that we do now where we're almost guaranteed to get at least 1 cheater in every match.
Respawn/EAC wouldn't even have to pay much either. These cheats can be licensed to any user for a short duration at the cost of a pittance.
So what if EA/Respawn/EAC pay cheat providers a few hundred to get a hold of their cheats so they can shut them down? They make that money and way more back off of cosmetics, passes, etc. It's also not as if the cheat providers can pay their bills with a few hundred dollars. If that was their economic game-plan then they'd be homeless within a month even if they tried to be frugal.
You say that the cheat providers would just obfuscate the code; but they're already doing that... yet EAC will accept a full upload of any cheat and blacklist it if it's confirmed to be a cheat. Obviously they have the capability, so to me it's just an unwillingness to go a little further.
So they'll basically do what I'm suggesting already but only if it's at the expense of us--the community. Why should we have to pay cheat-providers just so we can send their cheats over to EAC or Respawn? I presume you and certainly I don't have the bankroll or freetime to be buying up cheats from various providers for the sole purpose of sending them in nor should we be expected to. Nobody from the playerbase should be expected to do something like that. Whereas Respawn and EA most certainly do have the bankroll and can pay someone for their time to do it. After all, they want to consider themselves a service provider (remember: we don't own the game, we only license the right to play). So to me it's only sensible that they should take the responsibility upon themselves to proactively seek to stymie cheaters as much as possible. They should secure their service!
Cheat providers make money off of selling active cheats. Nobody is gonna buy cheats from a provider that can't keep their cheats active for longer than 24-48hrs. They'd have to privatize their cheats which would greatly limit their exposure and also limit the amount of players that'd be buying. Either way, they'd be economically crippled.
Even if they privatized their cheats they still couldn't make the amount of bankroll that they currently do unless they managed to hook a whale that'd be happy to pay thousands just so they can cheat. I'm sure somebody somewhere would be willing to fork up the cash but at the very least we wouldn't have the current situation that we do now where we're almost guaranteed to get at least 1 cheater in every match.
Respawn/EAC wouldn't even have to pay much either. These cheats can be licensed to any user for a short duration at the cost of a pittance.
So what if EA/Respawn/EAC pay cheat providers a few hundred to get a hold of their cheats so they can shut them down? They make that money and way more back off of cosmetics, passes, etc. It's also not as if the cheat providers can pay their bills with a few hundred dollars. If that was their economic game-plan then they'd be homeless within a month even if they tried to be frugal.
You say that the cheat providers would just obfuscate the code; but they're already doing that... yet EAC will accept a full upload of any cheat and blacklist it if it's confirmed to be a cheat. Obviously they have the capability, so to me it's just an unwillingness to go a little further.
So they'll basically do what I'm suggesting already but only if it's at the expense of us--the community. Why should we have to pay cheat-providers just so we can send their cheats over to EAC or Respawn? I presume you and certainly I don't have the bankroll or freetime to be buying up cheats from various providers for the sole purpose of sending them in nor should we be expected to. Nobody from the playerbase should be expected to do something like that. Whereas Respawn and EA most certainly do have the bankroll and can pay someone for their time to do it. After all, they want to consider themselves a service provider (remember: we don't own the game, we only license the right to play). So to me it's only sensible that they should take the responsibility upon themselves to proactively seek to stymie cheaters as much as possible. They should secure their service!
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