There is no SBMM

@TastyMeaI 

I dont know if you are talking about ranked or casual but for the latter, there actually is a SBMM but its kinda "broad" if you get my point. These are ofc non comfirmed theories but it seems to me the current SBMM in casual basically:

1) sorts out the very, very worst players in to a low level/noob lobby. My IRL friend who started to play Apex as his first PVP FPS ever, is now level 60 and is still being matched in these lobbies (he is actually so bad he struggles in Bronze/Silver).

2) Sort out full 3-man premade squads (not all, but many) into separate "hot" lobbies.  . Seems to me that after you steamrolled a couple of matches as a solo, you usually end up in such lobby as well, so perhaps "well performing" solos and premade duos have a high chance of being matched in these lobbies as well. I think the difference in the average skill level of the lobby is unquestionable if you play as a solo compared to as a 3-man squad

3) sort out the very, very best players in a "super hot" lobby. I only get into these lobbies when I play 3-man premade with Master/preds to or other Diamond3+ players like myself, but the existence of these lobbies is unquestionable. Here is a screenshot of my latest such match. Look at the diving trails and keep in mind that this was in the middle of the flight path. The best players in the lobby had already jumped hot so many Pred trails were not visable here.

4) All other players that dont qualifies for 1-3, like below average, average, good solos, premade duos etc etc in one "standard" lobby.  This is undoubtedly the most common lobby where most people end up in. 

@Balladalidila  ''the existence of these lobbies is unquestionable''

Isn't this the evidence you were asking me to provide way back when? Talking about top tier lobbies and you said it was a feeling, not fact? Something along those lines.

I'm fairly sure it was you when we had our first discussion that we disagreed on... Might be mistaken and can't be bothered to check as it's bbq n beer day.

Gz on getting into them though. Your reward will be a receding hair line lol.

I imagine that SBMM is really hard to maintain and implement. Hell, I would go as far as saying that an equal skill level throughout a match of 60 people is impossible. But a lot of the cases in-game aren't just differences between an orange and an apple. The differences go more in the direction of comparing a rotten grape with a premium-grade watermelon. You know, it would be great if I was given a break from those master predator pro players. Actually, no. My request is more so that I really (desperately, even) want to fight against normal people. You know, someone who misses just as many shots as I do. My KD sits at 0.86. Some of the people in my squads have more than often above 2 KD. That's a huge difference in performance. And I'm paired with them.

You think they could just pair people in games by their k/d. In a premade group them by highest k/d. Idk what their sbmm is but it sucks. 

Honestly, I'm just going to be blunt here. No nice-talk, no sugarcoating.

The problem is the developers' lack of understanding regarding the importance of a fine tuned match making, which I also believe is one of the major complaints on almost every platform. To them it might seem like a trivial issue with an overreaction from the people who complain about it. For me it's a massive frustration factor and brings me on the verge of deciding whether playing the game is good for me or not. Apex Legends is already a big exception for me as I'm usually playing a completely different kind of game/genre. (Co-op PvE games) - No other competitive PvP game is drawing me in.

And it's not just that I feel unfairly treated for constantly being paired with much better players. A lot of good players are frustrated for being paired with bad players. And we cannot say this isn't a commonly expressed problem. Every day we have a few topics popping up regarding the lack of SBMM. I find it hard to believe at this point that EA/Respawn isn't aware of this.

I get it, the SBMM is a system that is difficult to fine-tune. But there isn't a way around it. If you want every player to feel like they're paired with equals, you preferably want to spend the budged and time to fix this. New content is nice, but I can't appreciate it if there continue to be lingering issues, both minor and major. If you don't understand what I mean: You can always put a beautiful painting into your room. But if your room is very messy, no one will point out the nice painting, but how messy your room is.

Long story short: As long as matchmaking - and a lot of other issues - isn't fixed or at least attempted to be tinkered with, the whole game's experience will suffer from it. I don't care if the Dragon LMG will be really cool or if the new map is going to be a blast. If the whole meta game around it is a mess, I can't appreciate the work put behind these things.

And this is an issue that EA/Respawn has to tackle by themselves. I can't help them by saying "sure, I'll just deal with it". The game is frustrating and half of the situations are dragging the game down for my personal experience. There may be people that find a liking in this system, but I think I'm speaking for a ton of mid-tier players who have equal concerns.

@apostolateofDOOM 

I have always argued that 3-man premades get hotter matchmaking, ESPCIALLY if that 3-man premade all are all among the top ELO. What I have disagreed with are all the people who say they are "casual players" but also claim that every single casual lobby they play are joining are stacked with 60-80% masters and preds. Those are the lobbies that I up to this day claim dont exist.