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@BalladalidilaAnd that is where the differentiation occurs. You're on PC and i'm on console, we definitely have a lot more recoil lol.

Also, with single fire showing a direct pattern with no overlaps and without spinning out of control (in ex A) proves the bullets are looser the longer you spray it, and the bullets overlapping and kicking more to the left and being more tightly packed and looping (in ex B) do indeed prove it is harder to aim in auto, but the looping in the pattern does give a sort of "aim forgiveness" at long range. This also proves that the patterns are similar but they are not the same at all. This means it is a lot more predictable to spray in single fire and easily reset, thus making it easier to aim in single fire.

I thought the recoil was less for the flatline in single fire mode.

The main reason for my post is simple really. I do not like players who alter a games mechanic to gives advantages. The human finger is only capable of clicking and moving soo much. This is allowing AI to do all the clicking for you by set mass spam clicks with a .5 delay in the key press. Players should not be able to click once and hold it and turn a click fire gun into full auto on their end. We want fair game play. This means no macros altering recoil or fire rate. This is a bannable offense that I've posted even their own TOS stating it is taking advantage of a games mechanic to have an advantage over others. 

They either need to remove that from TOS or enforce it cant be no grey areas. It is either right or wrong. By their TOS its wrong. By them doing nothing at all or commenting on the subject at all means its right despite what the TOS states. 

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@MoNosDirtyGaming wrote:

@BalladalidilaAnd that is where the differentiation occurs. You're on PC and i'm on console, we definitely have a lot more recoil lol.

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Haven't played the game on Console but if you say so... . Have you played it on PC? Can you prove this or how do you know its "definitely" is the case? For most people, it would most likely take more mechanical skills to control the recoil with a controller stick than a mouse but I seriously doubt the in-game recoil is different on different platforms though.

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@E9ine_AC wrote:

The main reason for my post is simple really. I do not like players who alter a games mechanic to gives advantages.

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In principle, I agree with you. In a perfect world, everyone would play and compete with the exact same conditions and using rapid fire macros can for sure be seen in the grey area what should be considered cheating. But it my opinions, using rapid fire macros for any single fire weapons in the game wont give you that much of an advantage that I find it a problem.  For instance, playing on a 144hz with 190 constant FPS compared to someone playing on 60 hz 50-70 FPS is probably a more significant advantage than someone using rapid fire macros etc

@BalladalidilaPlease don't debate this with me, PC aim is so much easier than console aim, proven many times how you can just lazer someone from 200+m without even doing anything, console aim is awful which is why we have aim assist so heavily.

And yes I have played on PC. Controller on PC doesn't feel as smooth as it does on console. 

 @MoNosDirtyGaming 

The recoil control on PC is easier yes, because mouse is a better tool to control recoil than a controller but unless you can show me proof that the recoil pattern is stronger on console, then I think you just are BS:ing when you say that console players "definitely have a lot more recoil". 

 @MoNosDirtyGaming 

Really? You think "my mind is clearly already set" because I just dont "choose" to believe in something without proof, something that you out of nowhere claim is an accepted truth, i.e. that PC by has a weaker default recoil than Console.... Cant you see how stupid and contradictive that is? To be unsure and undecided before seeing any kind of proof is the freaking opposite of having a set mind.  You on the other hand are 100% sure about your "truth" only because you said so with your "many years as a gamer".  

And you speak about how long time you have played games as if that per se would increase your credibility in this matter.. It doesnt and only a * would be impressed by such an attempt to appear trustworthy. The question still remains: have you even played the game on PC? What real, tangible evidence are you basing this "truth" of yours, i.e that PC has weaker recoil than console, which you claim is such an accepted consensus? 

And on the same note; you think that my stats has anything to do with this argument. .. It doesnt! This isnt a matter of experience or Apex skills. Its a matter of game design, whether or not the developers increased the in-game recoil on Console or not.. But here are my stats on my current main account  and my first main account (changed main since I got Heirloom on my alt) and as you can see, I have close to 20k kills since the games release. Not as if it matters but such things seem important to you.

But anyways, lets end this discussion. If you want to live in a make believe world where you think that the default recoil on PC actually is weaker than on Console than I couldnt care less. I bet you also convicted yourself that 25% in every lobby hacks aswell

@Balladalidila lmao, again proving my point, stats have EVERYTHING to do with this discussion; you know absolutely NOTHING about recoil in the game, just assume. You didn't even recognise the direct correlation between stats and recoil knowledge, I have to also put this in bold so it doesn't go over your brain and you can recognise it's supposed to stick out from the rest of the paragraph. I love how you had to make a smurf account and turn it into your main just to get the 4k badge btw, real creative. You expect me to just "believe in something without proof"? Exactly, all your paragraphs are condescending as hell. I would also like to clearly state you expect proof for claims but yet when I ask for proof for your skills based upon your knowledge of recoil you seem somewhat insulted and think it has nothing to do with anything and then go the extra step and insult me? lmaooo. The fact that you had to post two accounts also proves that you don't have more than 10k kills max, the other ones probably your friends. "Prove it". Stick to your long range engagements where you only get kills and don't bother telling me to "prove it".

No, I suggested your "mind was set" because you straight up called my opinion "BS". If you know all about gun recoil patterns, then this would also very easily suggest that you're a top tier player because you'd also be able to adjust very easily per season and realise which guns are top tier, thus allowing you to have a higher ratio compared to other players, but you don't. Especially with that lousy 2.0kd, I bet you wholeheartedly struggle to kill an entire squad solo without assistance because your accuracy is as bad as your recoil knowledge, this is also why LIFELINE is your main and you can only third party fights.

You forget being able to control your DPI via mouse, you also forget that aiming is much more accurate on PC. Mouse gives you more control. That's not up for debate. There is so much more customization that can go into KBM that it'd be shocked to hear anyone try and argue the other side of it. People straight up call using KBM via an adapter on consoles cheating because they have such an advantage. That's the whole reason auto aim exists, to cushion the accessibility gap.

IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE FULL POST YOU WOULD HAVE READ WHERE I SAID I HAVE PLAYED ON PC, THERE IS A REASON WHY I HAVE A CUSTOM BUILT GAMING PC WHICH I HAVE BUILT MYSELF BACK IN 2012 WITH PARTS UPGRADED SINCE AND VERY VIABLE FOR GAMING IN 2020. SOON TO BE UPGRADING TO A 3080TI, you want a picture of my full desk too as proof? Need me to write "MoNo" on a piece of paper and slap it in the middle of the desk as well? Do you even need the forum in the background on my PC monitor? Need me to even put my ps4+Ps5 in the picture too as proof? And you talk about "being stupid".

There was a PC player a couple of months back showing how easy it was to aim on PC via M&K on reddit, in training mode using all guns and lasering from 300M away without missing a shot, he was proving how easy it was to aim on PC since at the time everyone was crying like little girls about how OP aim assist was on controller. Maybe E9 saw it but ik damn well you didn't cause you have no idea what you're talking about. Since you also want to be a smart *, there was a major problem on console with cheaters using xim etc, this died after season 4's launch, now it's back on the rise. You don't need to care if thats what you want to believe, again proving my point as to how your "mind was already set", but best believe if you're ever in any console lobbies you're getting bodied. 

@MoNosDirtyGaming 

Do you feel alright, son? Seems like you are losing it over there HAHA

Seems like you're embarrassed over your stats, son. HAHA

@MoNosDirtyGaming 

Its only you here who cares about stats. Since you think that "good" stats determine who is right and who is wrong in a debate, then I just cant help you......