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bustyomouth
7 years ago
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Ttk changes apex legends

It would be nice to see some change to the ttk there's no reason I should unload a whole SMG clip in to someone's head and upper body just to get killed by them with a pistol. I feel it's a little lo...
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  • EA_Darko's avatar
    EA_Darko
    7 years ago

    Hey all, this childish bickering ends here and now. If you cannot post without insulting another user then please refrain from posting as from this point on, any poster insulting, abusing or belittling another user will be facing action.

    Accepting as solution for visibility.

    Darko

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TrueDivinorium
7 years ago

Camping or slowly moving so you always see the enemy before they see you and get an easy kill - "Tactics"

I'm sorry guys you don't even know the meaning of the word tactics. Anything can be "tactical"; Run and gun IS a tactic the same way that camping is one. 

It's fair to say that this game is more arcade than Arma and that's great. Because when you get 3 partied you have a chance to shot back. 


I read people bragging about how they play HC and the "pros" friends are leaving due the lack of tactics. but here's the deal: There's tactics in the game, a properly executed ambush can and will wipe a team before they can react. But you need the know how and arguably have the aim to back the plan.

Yet the "tactical" people don't seen to realize that the "tactics" you use in others games will need to be adapted to work here. This is not Arma where the fact that you can see the enemy before he sees you means he is dead.

Being tactical is seeing the situation and learning how to adapt to it. That's the most basic thing anyone that actually knows anything about tactics will learn. (otherwise you try to "tactically" flank an enemy that waits you through a choke point)

Yet here we are, a bunch of "tactical" players that doesn't realize that the problem is their approach to the game at hand, that their "tactics" need to be changed or adapted. But no, they say that there's no "tactic" in this game.

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preyandplay
7 years ago

The only players who do not mind high TTK are cheaters. High TTK favors cheaters for obvious reasons.
This also favors the team game and the penalty of lone wolves.
However, not only high TTK is an Apex problem. It is generally a weapon mechanics optimized to force players to play a team game, which is absurdly stupid. And the weapon in Apex Legends is very unbalanced.

- Some weapons have no recoil, some have a huge recoil.
- Some weapons are useless, some are OP.
- Most weapons have extremly low capacity magainzes, some have average or better.
- Sniper rifles have limitation of the shooting speed and extremly high bullet drop.

So what we have now? Wingman is better than Scout and Scout is better than Tripletake becasue this crap can't hit anyone from 50 meters because bullet drop. Nice idea, a energy weapon with extremly high bullet drop, but you can easy spray with Devotion for the horizon and kill someone.

Seems legit. 🤓

  • IfReborn's avatar
    IfReborn
    7 years ago
    i guess the time to kill is wonderful since this game is a success. PubG is still out there if you want a game not based around movement and encounter length.
  • LoganX1's avatar
    LoganX1
    7 years ago
    @preyandplay wrote:

    However, not only high TTK is an Apex problem. It is generally a weapon mechanics optimized to force players to play a team game, which is absurdly stupid.

    Destiny tried this in D2 Y1 and it failed miserably.  Most players nowadays do not appreciate the 'team-shoot' mentality. They want to make the big plays themselves.

    There are other ways to encourage teamwork then doing it artificially with a high TTK.

    I'll keep saying it.  High TTK reduces the effectiveness of mid to long range weapons.  When an archetype is rendered useless people move to the ones that kill the quickest.  That's why there such a meta here AND why shotgun use (with camping) is so prevalent. It's why we have the Wingman problem.  People are not going to use weapons that don't work.

    • IfReborn's avatar
      IfReborn
      7 years ago

      @LoganX1 

      Did you ever play Quake or enemy territory?

      those were both movement based games with long time to kill.  Besides you can kill anyone in 1 seconds with any gun if you land your shots. r99 is devastating the 301 is devastating. r99 is way better then the wing man now.  the r99 does 216 DPS to the body.  Even a  Mozambique can kill some one in 2 shots after drooping in.  Your  problem is not the damage out put it is the movement speed of the players which is flipping fantastic.  This is closer to the games i grew up on Quake and RTCW and enemy territory. Not the slow paced games that came about due to the death of the CRT monitor and poor refresh rates.  We are finally back to 2004 took a long time to get back there but that is progress.  You are going to have a blast when you get up to speed.

       you can dodge bullets via fast movement that's the problem you are having and haven't adjusted to yet.  Movement speed and fast games died when they stopped making CRT monitors.  Now that we have over 100 hrtz again they will return.  

      enjoy this video and see what plays are about in this game and why it is so popular.  This is it bro.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwplkfIAVLA

      • IfReborn's avatar
        IfReborn
        7 years ago

        What they really have to look into is removing the need to aim down sight in close combat and make it more movement based and fluid. Then you can make it so bullets land where I aim without randomness.

    • preyandplay's avatar
      preyandplay
      7 years ago

      I had different situations in the game.

      - Once I stood behind a sniper who was not aware of my presence. I fired the entire R-99 magazine in his back and I had to shoot two shots from the Peacekeeper to make him fall.

      - I was lurking in Bunkier. At a convenient moment, I went back to the three enemies with Devotion in my hands. I fired at them almost the entire magazine before they killed me. I did not manage to lay down one, shooting them in the back.

      These are just two examples, but there are a lot of such situations in Apex Legends. I know it's not CS:GO, but CS:GO is a good example of why low TTK is better than high TTK. In CS:GO you can easily kill someone, but it's easy to die and that's why this game is very team-oriented. If you die, it's good to have someone who refrag your enemy. If you stay alone, you always have the chance to do something. In Apex Legends, in 99% of cases, there is no point in starting a fight with more than one opponent. Even having an element of surprise on your side.
      In Apex Legends you have high TTK, and you still have to finish off the opponent. And then look after him, because colleagues can resurrect him.

      And cheaters. It does not matter to them, but the high TTK helps them, because before the normal player kills them, they will be able to rip out the whole squad by hitting each time.

      • preyandplay's avatar
        preyandplay
        7 years ago

        @IfReborn 

        Giving an example of a weak cheater using an aimbot does not prove the veracity of your words.
        Already in the first seconds you can see that he cheats. The crosshair jumps to the model in the most obvious way ...
        Try again.

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