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MayProtein's avatar
MayProtein
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago

We don't need a garbage system such as abandonment penalty in mixtape mode.

Why don't you remove the garbage system such as the abandonment penalty from the mixtape mode, which is not only not benefiting anyone, but is only a hindrance to the player, even though I have been ...
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aim_with_my_eye's avatar
aim_with_my_eye
2 years ago

Actually we need, also we need it for BR pubs. Leavers are cancer of the game. Systematic abandonment must be penalized even by mathematical means - it's hurting only 1 player experience, but leaver hurting his entire team's. If you're not grown up to respect teamplay and responsibillness - go play some CoD FFA.

MayProtein's avatar
MayProtein
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago

@aim_with_my_eye
In the current mixtape, no matter what you think, the withdrawal penalty should not be implemented.
In BR mode, where the loss of one player is a serious disadvantage to the team, a penalty for leaving is necessary, but in mixtape mode, where there are basically a certain number of players per team and there is currently no team balance at all, it is unnecessary by any means.

I'm referring to the current situation where the only matches that are offered are ones that are clearly not viable due to team balance and users violating the rules, but they impose a penalty that doesn't allow any withdrawal from the match. I am saying that it is fine to have a withdrawal penalty as long as the match is properly organized.

The only thing that is a "cancer" to the game is a system that offers only such unrealistic matches and a flat penalty for leaving the game in the middle of a match, when you can't play your favorite mode at anytime you want.

Can't you even understand the very simple fact that a match that is not played properly hurts both the player's experience and the team as a whole?

You haven't read the subject matter of the topic, etc., as written above, and yet you say things like, "If you haven't grown up to respect team play and responsibility, go play CoD FFA." If you are making fun of people by saying things like that, you should stop playing games and learn to read a sentence.
Do you realize that you are not qualified to say "if you are not mature enough to respect team play and responsibility, don't play apex" when you are making fun of people like that without respecting other people's opinions?

It is wrong to ask the players to be responsible and mature enough to respect team play when the game is not fulfilling its responsibility to mixtape mode in the first place, and the developers do not have those things in place, so the players are leaving the game in disgust.

  • Asmodeus566's avatar
    Asmodeus566
    Hero+
    2 years ago

    @MayProtein 

    I can see how the abandonment penalty system can be frustrating. However it is equally frustrating when you play a match and just because your teammate did not get the Legend they want quits. 

    IMHO the abandonment penalty is a good thing. Quitters hurt the match, hurt the team they were on and makes a bigger mismatch and even the opposing team can feel bad about that as well.

    If you feel so strongly about that then maybe mixtape is not the mode for you. 

    • MayProtein's avatar
      MayProtein
      Seasoned Adventurer
      2 years ago
      @Asmodeus566
      So, if you have a solid team balance, and if you are able to provide matches that are played properly by eliminating users who cheat and use macros and tools that violate the rules, then there should be some kind of waiver penalty for players who leave a match and cause damage to their team. You say you have no problem with some sort of penalty for players.
      However, as it stands now, there are tons of cheaters and players who use macros and converters to cheat, and the balance of each team is catastrophically bad to begin with, always winning or losing one-sidedly, and there are almost no matches that can be played properly.
      Do you really understand that I have been saying for a long time that it is wrong to try to force players to stay in a match until it ends without even allowing them to leave when the match itself is already corrupt and broken?

      Whether the player leaves or not, the current state of the match itself is already hurting the game experience for both teams.

      I mean, if a player leaves a team in the first place, why not allow other players to join in the middle of the match to compensate for the player's departure?

      I have said many times that this abandonment penalty is a major cause for players to quit the game as they find it boring in the current situation where there are only matches where the premise is destroyed in the first place, such that there is no balance between teams, and that such one-sided matches are the only thing that can be said, "No, this is fine, even You should realize that people like you are in the minority in saying "no, this is fine, even if there are only one-sided matches, under no circumstances should a player be penalized for leaving a game that hurts the team experience".

      Most players would quit the game itself if they were forced to continue playing in these rotten and unworkable matches in the first place.

      What you are saying now, while seemingly correct, is simply an attempt to maintain the status quo instead of using our brains to improve the current problems.
      The only result will be to shorten the life of the game and cause it to decline.

      You should understand that the exclusive and rigid idea that if you can't accept the current situation, you should quit this game, is the reason for the game's great decline.

      Well, that's why the playing population is declining greatly and apex is declining.
      • Asmodeus566's avatar
        Asmodeus566
        Hero+
        2 years ago

        @MayProtein 

        You make quite a few good points here. Well put together and thank you for your response.

        I do not play a lot of mixtape because it is a hot mess at times, however when I play I never quit, I do my best and try not to let it get to me. 

        I am all for improving the game. Yes MM needs to be better in Mixtape, I will not argue against that.

        Yes cheaters need to be stopped but as we all know it is a continuous fight as anti cheat gets better the cheaters find new ways to cheat so it cannot be stopped completely.

        However I still think that the abandonment penalty in Mixtape and Ranked play needs to stay.

        There are so many people that just leave off the get go, you took their legend and the just leave, they do not like the legend you are playing and leave, they leave just to mess others games up, They are having a bad match even though the team is winning and they leave etc, they are losing in the match even though it is close. 

        The behavior of petty gamers will always be there and the only way to address them is with abandonment penalties. 

        In a perfect world players would not cheat, the MM would be balanced, players would give it their best and be on good behavior and we would not need the abandonment penalty at all.

        However sadly that is not the case. 

        Happy Friday and GG's to you.