and I totally agree. If you want to play against people at your own skill level, regardless how bad or good you are, then play ranked. Thats exactly what ranked is, a mode where you compete against equally skilled players.Starts here:https://www.twitch.tv/videos/519652872?t=2h5m30s And to sum it up people who wants this sbmm in casual:https://www.twitch.tv/videos/519652872?t=2h7m43s SBMM in casual is such a slap in the face for people who worked to achieve a certain skill in this game. Lets say, simplified but for the sake of the argument, that skill is represented by your K/D. So now, after 700 hours and over 4000 matches of Apex, have I reached the skill level of approx 3 K/D. Its not god-tier in any ways, but that is where I am right now. I wasnt born with that, actually I was quite bad in the beginning but I got my butt kicked over and over (in Skulltown 😉 ) and gradually got better until this point that I on average kill 3 times more than I die. But now, because of this SBMM, all that work means nothing since everyone I fight is about my skill thus making my "effective" skill or K/D go towards 1. All my progression to get "better" means nothing since "better" is relative and currently, Im not better than my opponents, Im equal.I hope that more influential streamers speak up against it.

@Boa767 You literally make zero logical sense."Well that's your problem you like killing people lower skill than you and padding your stats which are obviously not realistic stats are they, you're not as good as you thought you were."Do you even think before typing? Like I said in my OP, skill is relative. You obviously havent even understood that concept (google relative or ask mommy) when you write that "I dont think Im as good as I think I was"... What the hell does that even mean? My skill is what it is and my "stats" is a reflection of those skills compared to the rest of the player base IF the matchmaking was picked randomly from said player base. So speaking of "realistic" stats; the only "unrealistic" version of those stats is exactly what the new SBMM is leading to, namely a K/D that will go towards 1.

Okay first of all Ranked stats and normal game stats are totally different thing and they totally mean something different. Ranked stats means in your league how well you do, normal game means how well you do amongst ALL PLAYER BASE; you may encounter best player in apex, you may encounter the worst player so its just that. If you like SBMM then play ranked all day even if they remove the SBMM then you will be always fighting in your skill range right ? Oh, you dont like that right? Nor do i since my casual games are now skrim lobbies! People putting down fences, holding buildings stressful games why do i want that when i want to chill ? Btw i am not that good of a player which brings another problem, i get farmed in every normal game lobby and in ranked. There is nowhere i can go from this? I cant play the game anymore because OBVIOUSLY i am not top tier player! So why the hell i am in these lobbies? Because i managed to get to Diamond? I got into diamond, i saw yeah predators are ripping me apart, there is no way i can move forward so stopped playing it. Then in my normal lobbies same thing happens. They are not in my skill level! Oh one more thing, SBMM right well it is not applied within your squad! So i get the teammates which are lvl 20-50 s which has no idea about high tier matches (no coms, no pings, no info) and we get stomped on by pre made full 20-40k kill players. So how do you want me to enjoy this? Can you explain ? Without SBMM my normal games were like; some games i dominate kill all, some games i got so outplayed and see their stats and laugh. Now every game i get killed by top tier players with crazy low tier teammates which drives me insane! I cant laugh about it anymore so i become toxic. I yell at people that are bad in this game and yeah they dont deserve this level of toxicity. So 2 parts to this arguement; 1) Does that low tier players deserve to get * on in my lobby and become furious? 2) As a mediocore player do i deserve to get * on every match with useless teammates? I think SBMM hurt players like me the most, the people who are in between being top tier players-averadge players. We have nowhere to have fun. Top tier players say oh its too sweaty yeah but you can still win, I can not. My team dies to any team we run into. So the only way for me to at least have some fun in normal lobbies is to find 2 more players and play as hard as we can to even contest. Man why do i need constant hardwork in a video game ?------------Or better yet here is an example; think of yourself as okay player and you want to play a single player game that you lovveee to play. Next day it only allows you to play in the most hardcore difficulty which you cant progress in anything. How long are you going to try and keep dieing? or will you just say yeah thats it i dont want to see the endgame and quit? Thats exactly where i am now. Then i get bored, create a smurf, then get into the normal lobbies and kill everyone, get 4k badge in the first match. Then farm trough the lobbies. Oh * it made the situation even worse for the new player base that wants to play this game right? Because there is so many people creating smurf accounts now! 1/2 of the lobby is lvl7 players with 70-100 kills. So how is the situation with the new playerbase? Its not fair to them, its not fair to me. First of all you have to seperate 1-30 lvl 30-60lvl 60-100lvl 100+ lvl now there is 500 so there can be many different seperations and mine are just an example so yeah look at the data seperate lvl 500 s to lvl 100 s then apply sbmm amongst them(or dont apply, they spent the same amount of time in the game, so they should have similar experience). Otherwise this circle of life will continue and you will achieve nothing. It will just make players angry, smurf players will not buy skins, they will not buy skins to their mains because they cant use them.. it is certainly a loose loose situation.

Just so everyone is aware..If you like SBMM and the state that its in right now, it means you're not a good player.. just fyi..pubs are casual fun against random players of all levels.ranked is sweating it out against players of your skill level.

@Boa767 Sure, I like killing players regardless of their skills but unlike you, I dont cry when a better player then kills me; I learn from it and get better.

It makes perfect sense. Your problem is you think that your K/D equals your skill at the game when it doesn't 3.00 K/D isn't realistic for the majority of the players, If you were to play games which are fair which Ranked is for the most part (when it's not putting predator players in diamond IV games) your K/D would be around 1.00 - 2.00 on average.My K/D from playing only ranked is 1.63 which is average, if I was to only play casual/quick play before the SBMM change I could have easily inflated that to around 5.00 or something ridiculously unrealistic. It would have been easy to stomp new players and low skilled players all day long to boost my stats.it's a meaningless stat anyway when RNG decides a lot of the outcomes of games such as if the drop was bad, loot, team that you have been matched with and the ring closing in.

What TSM Viss thinks about the current SBMM in casual

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Zkepz
6 years ago
@Boa767No you dont get it at all, I am quite newbie at the game but I get no sense of progression at all in public, I only get my new ranks in ranked to indikate im getting better (or am I, I have no idea really). As is now I feel like I get worse and worse in public because the ranking system seems to use my ranked progress into the equation for my public solo queue, which is insane.

What I am able to do with a tactical trained team we been working our * off to be able to progress with, is not what I am capable to do alone. And the people I meet in public seem to have 10 times my kills and wins overall so there is something very very wrong with the system.

I wish they stopped the matchmaking stuff in public, would rather make a newbie type game where you have to be under lvl 5 or so to enter queueing, something like the bot infested matchmaking of fortnite in your first few games you play there. Because you don't really play very long with nubs before you stagnate in progress as you need to group with more skilled people to learn, and people that is less proficient then you to actually get motivation as you see your progress. I had no problem at all with the old queuing when I started this game a month back, the thing that push people away is unfair monetation and no real earnback for heavy investment in the game and hard battlepass levling compared to the competition. I started Fortnite with my daughter at the same time as I started Apex for my own sake (I am no big fan of fortnite) and in less time invested we completed the battlepass levling, on top of that they had a very cool feature of the battlepass where you got a set of challenges which would in turn open prizes so it gives incentive to play more while for the no resistance players still was able to max out by just grinding levels in a casual amount of time.

All in all the state of my gaming in Apex I do my dailies now in public only when my team mates aren't online, I do not play recreational anymore, I do not experiment in public with different areas of the map or different weapon setups anymore, I do not really have a possibility to learn new ways of play to be able to progress into higher ranked play as I pretty much get stomped instantly when trying the meta gamepley suggestions. I do however play ranked when my buddies bother play Apex as they refuse playing public at any level. I also play 1v1 FF in shooting range with my daughter to practice dodgeing and thats it.

I went from 3-4 hours+ a day of apex to a mere hour'(timeboxed), so whatever dailies arent done in that time I dont give a * about, oh and if the dailies are done in 15 minutes then that is the days playtime.
dlpaulson12
6 years ago
@Boa767 Hey buddy I'd like to see how well you fare when all of your Public lobbies have endings like this

https://youtu.be/Em6T6UXCh3k

It's easy for low tier players to think SBMM is a good thing for the game, but this is the aspect they are completely oblivious too. Once you get to a certain level of play, which many of you in favor if SBMM will never achieve, this is how ever single "casual" game ends. There is legitimately no in game difference between this and ranked, other than the points system...

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