Why promoting camping
i always saw this game as a kill or get killed game, like Quake, that's what i love about it, very intense fights, but now on plat, everyone is just camping because of those points you get from top 1...
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@Vdstrk @NNeil6991 Sure, perhaps you are correct and it is was they wanted but I for one hope that's not the case. Surely there were, and are, other ways to make the defensive (not campy) legends more viable.
As for learning from Apex Elite all I would say to counter that is do you think the developers and EA are really that quick? I don't believe they would be able to anyalze half of the data that they obtained from the Elite queue before ranked came into play. I wouldn't argue that it was a so called beta though but again more than likely to test multiple queues, player count and the basic stats.
The biggest problem here is just the one scoring system (RP) but multiple ways to earn it. Don't limit it and people will just play game after game in quick succession looking for the most kills and never win it. Not an issue to some but if your solo and your squad are running into every battle when you are more conservative then there's the issue. But on the flip limit it and then only allow for more RP for placement people will camp after 5 kills.
I still think there are other ways around it and kills and placement should be rewarded differently for a start.
As for learning from Apex Elite all I would say to counter that is do you think the developers and EA are really that quick? I don't believe they would be able to anyalze half of the data that they obtained from the Elite queue before ranked came into play. I wouldn't argue that it was a so called beta though but again more than likely to test multiple queues, player count and the basic stats.
The biggest problem here is just the one scoring system (RP) but multiple ways to earn it. Don't limit it and people will just play game after game in quick succession looking for the most kills and never win it. Not an issue to some but if your solo and your squad are running into every battle when you are more conservative then there's the issue. But on the flip limit it and then only allow for more RP for placement people will camp after 5 kills.
I still think there are other ways around it and kills and placement should be rewarded differently for a start.
@WHITEyy6969
I am confident that devs know how to analyze and adjust to feedback.
The issue is more with respect to "forcing" some play-style, and characters. This is also visible through daily and weekly challenges asking to use a specific tactic. For instance, use Caustic and kill a player while gassed.
I am confident that devs know how to analyze and adjust to feedback.
The issue is more with respect to "forcing" some play-style, and characters. This is also visible through daily and weekly challenges asking to use a specific tactic. For instance, use Caustic and kill a player while gassed.
I'm not saying they can't analyze data or won't but for them to analyze gameplay and deduce X amount of people camp takes a lot more manpower and time compared to forums where they are getting constant feedback. Let me explain.
Someone saying that gun x is terrible can be investigated by looking how many kills per gun and if this is a low stat then yes they may be on to something. Similar the early bashing of Mirage, the devs responded saying plenty of wins were recorded when someone was using Mirage, again another stat.
Flip that and everyone moan about campers what do they have to go on? Players with low kills doesn't necessarily mean they camped, likewise low damage (we've all seen players with 4+ kills and sub 400 damage), basically no one stat to go off. It's similar to why it's not so easy to ban cheaters, it's obvious to us who play against them but they don't see it.
Only time will tell I guess and we will all have to see what happens. Again I'm not saying anyone is wrong here but I hope, for all our sakes, this does get ironed out.
- @WHITEyy6969 Their datasets could just be filtered to see how many players were consistently getting to top5/winning in elite with little to no damage and compare it to whatever data they have from before elite was brought in to see if what they're doing is encouraging ratty, hide and seek style playing. I think it would be a wasted effort because anyone who played Elite for about 5 minutes could answer this pretty confidently :D
Safe to say no one really enjoys killing a guy with grey shields and an eva8 with no ammo to win a game at the end. People playing like that provide nothing to the other players other than a delay in the match ending for no real fight, or in the rarer instance when it's a good player : an opportunistic 3p to rip off the team who have been involved in the game through to the end.
Heavy handedly manipulating the playerbase to slow the game down so it fits their vision is something that I think is really rolling the dice with the future of the game. Other games that took what their players were doing and ran with it (removing bhop healing springs to mind with this for specific context) have done extremely well out of it. It's probably a question of resource and contracting though. Respawn will have a mandate from EA and contracts which were secured by providing a development roadmap that they won't be allowed to interrupt, whether the playerbase likes it or not.The RP system should not promote camping for pushing the meta in the way devs/ea wants to, a system have to be as neutral as possible, it doesn't matter if the character is currently bad/unplayable, just patch it later, we already have a good game without it and it makes it funnier when the character is brought back. That's how you are supposed to shift a meta.
I'm really disappointed from Respawn who said "we won't update as frequently as fortnite, we want quality content", season 1 was bad, season 2 looks slightly better, Elite was a test, how can you chill that much and not delivering quality content.I'm fine with daily patches, i'm even fine with one patch per year as long as the game is polished.
Each patchs brings errors/ bad tweaking/balance issue, you showed us you can solve it with weapons changes (plz nerf disruptor but that's all), keep it on with the rest of the game, the faster you do this the faster you can compete with fortnite and grab tons of money.
It feels like you gave up and doing it halfway.
The game is now 6 month old and still a lot to polish, you saw the hype it made, get some ea backup i don't know DO SOMETHING.
I also think getting RP based from the XP you got might be the best solution.
@Vdstrk Regarding challenges. That we can agree on definitely is to get players to mix it up.
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