I disagree. MMR is a 100 times better matchmaking variable than rank and the reason MMR based matchmaking works in arena is ofc because every match has one team of winners and one team of losers, i.e some players will lose MMR and some players will gain MMR every match and the amount they win/lose depends on the teams MMR vs the opponents MMR.
The difference between ranked in BR and ranked ARENA is that in BR, there is ONLY your rank (silver, bronze, Master etc) that is being used as variable to match people regardless how good or bad these people are. Hiding rats are matched with steam rolling 4k, 20 kill gamers if they happen to be in the same rank range. But in ARENA you are only matched after an individual hidden MMR value. Your current rank doest not matter in the matchmaking, only your MMR does. So if you are currently Bronze and keep getting matched against Platinums, that just means that your hidden MMR is too high for other average bronze player and is more in level with average Platinums.
So dont mind your teammates rank because you can always know that all the players in your match have a similar hidden MMR as you. This can ofc be a little bit buggy early in the season but it should get better as time goes by.
So you are saying someone that has played 15 Raked Arena games could in theory have the same HIDDEN MMR as a player that has played well over 100 Ranked Arena games and only lost roughly 5 games until GOLD 4? If that is the case then the hidden MMR does not come playing Arenas at all, otherwise there is no way these values would even be close. As I stated, I only lost about 5 games till I got to Gold 4. So how could I possibly have the same HIDDEN MMR as someone that has only played about 15 ranked Arena games? If 5 losses out of 100 is equal 0 losses out of 15 then that would makes sense but then that brings up the question just how much 1 loss would cost your HIDDEN MMR or just how much does no losses elevate this hidden number? Also I then question why there are no other GOLD 4 players that have the same HIDDEN MMR as I have. One could easily say, "Well you just aren't very good, and that why you have said HIDDEN MMR." But again, i say to that, I only lost about 5 games until I got gold 4. So to me, this HIDDEN MMR must not work correctly.
I guess so but highly unlikely. But lets take your very extreme case as example how it COULD work in theory
Player A, B and player C wins ALL their first 9 placement matches whereas Player X and player Z loses all their 9 first placement matches. In Player 1 FIRST placement match is he randomly matched AGAINST player A, B, C (all of them on 9/9 wins) and he is teamed WITH Player X and Z (both on a 9 game losing streak). Now lets say team Player 1 + Player X + Player Z wins and Player 1 hard carries that match 9 kills in 3 winning rounds. Then his gained MMR for his first placement match might increase with its maximum possible number. Now lets say he does this in all his 10 placement matches. When he is done with the placement matches and can start play in Bronze4, his MMR is super high; much higher than the average Bronze and he is matched with Gold/Platinums. If he continues to win those matches, he will gain points very quickly thus soon reach the rank than corresponds best to his MMR, i.e the rank where most other with his MMR currently are.
So losses and wins is not worth the same every match so it doesnt matter if you only lost 5 games prior to hitting gold 4. It all depends on your and your teams MMR vs your enemy and enemy teams MMR. And if the system works properly, you should never get ranked match of average mmr "999" when one side has three 333 and one side two 100s and one 799... The only time this could happen in a properly designed rank system is if the game allows totally freely constructed premade. And thats why MMR is so good to base ranked on. Because if we take the example above: lets say you are super good and have 799 MMR and you want to carry me and one other, both of us at 100 MMR and the game allows us to play together by putting us in a average 999 MMR match. Then
1) You would have to hard carry, basically 1v3 since all enemies are much better than both me and the third.
2) If we win, YOU wont almost get any points at all since your MMR of 799 is so much higher than the average 333 of the enemy players.
3) if we loses, YOU would lose tons of points of the same reason.
So its kinda of a fail safe for people to boost each other I guess. But then again; I dont know a thing how Respawn implemented their MMR system so maybe we shouldn't assume to much =)
So may latest match was a REAL level 13 Player, and a REAL level 24 Player. Both were still in their placement matches. I'm not sure where there were in their Matches since they didn't tell me, but it pretty much proves my point, that once you hit gold, you get matched with much less EXPERIENCED players. Also there is no way possible the 3 of us could have close to the same HIDDEN MMR as they were VERY NEW PLAYERS to APEX and they BOTH had not even finished their PLACEMENT MATCHES. Which again leads me to believe, they are trying to fill the LOBBY with roughly the same HIDDEN MMR not the TEAM. I've also asked every single player I have played with, and I've been playing a lot today, NOT ONE was GOLD RANK. Rocket League had the same kind of ranking system. What they did right though, is they placed you with players that were actually at your skill level and you played other players that were also at your skill level. It was not perfect by any means but at least when you joined a game, you knew you were not going to get a brand new player on your team even at the third lowest ranks such as GOLD in APEX.
And it just did it again. I've now gone from 1 win away to GOLD 3 all the way down to 1 loss away from going back to SIVLER. Not a single game today did I get ANY Teammates that were GOLD rank. Not 1. Most of my teammates have been playing the game less than 2 months, Given their actual level they display. I played with much better players when I was in SILVER rank. So what that tells me is, again, they are filling the LOBBY at a specific MMR not the TEAM. I'm sure when I was silver, I was playing with GOLD players. But now that I'm the GOLD player I'm playing with BRONZE players over and over and over and over and over and over and then I get 1 SILVER and then over and over and over again! For me this season is a wash and not worst playing anymore. If I can't carry 2 brand new players to a win, and they are boxes 10 seconds after the match starts, I'm pretty much out of options but to just stop playing. It's not worth it to me, when they are unable it get the ARENA RANKING SYSTEM right. So it takes me back to my original message, "Why we can't rank up playing without a pre made team." Reason is, the SYSTEM might make the LOBBY right, but has proven they DON'T make the TEAMS right.
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