I am going to report every single console player for aim bot until Respawn does their job...

@Zamaha400 No they are not asking for beneficial changes for them, they are specifically asking for the unfair aim assist to not be a beneficial advantage for controller players, those are not the same thing. The MnK community has never given a f about AA on console, we had 10-20 years of console AA that no one cared about cause Crossplay wasnt introduced and generally tournaments didnt feature PC vs Console or controller to begin with.Aim assist wasnt made to balance the power between MnK and Controller, that is absolutely right, however it has become a balancing tool between the inputs as stated directly by developers of multiple crossplay games including Fortnite, Apex and Call of Duty Warzone.MnK users arent specifically interested in how it is done, the main problem and outcome that they want, is that pc competetive environments and tournaments in general does in no way have AA that is an unfair advantage. Whether they seperate the inputs, disable AA on pc and in tournaments, it doesnt really matter. Again i point to the fact we had near 10-20 years of console aim assist that no PC player ever cared about, cause it was console vs console...How in hell does an input that is directly affected by AA, not have a say in the matter ? All inputs are in this world together, all have a say in all aspects of the game, so long as the arguments make sense and are validly backed up with evidence. If you seperate MnK and Controller completely again, then sure MnK should have no say in what happens on Controllers side, just like controller shouldnt on MnK´s side. However the reality is that crossplay is here and it is mostly always going to be here, so the only fair option is to allow everyone to use the superior inputs by hardware and disable artificial benefits like AA, when it comes to ranked, competetive and tournaments.

@CCbathwater Yet consoles/controller inherently made it an issue for pc players/mnk players.So what is your solution then ?It is either seperate inputs completely and give them equally, whatever they want, or remove AA entirely and allow both consoles and MnK to choose a controller or MnK. That is the absolute most fair option.

You seem to be completely unable to understand the argument. 1. MNK arent the ones asking for catering, they are asking for change yes, the change that they take away the catering for controller users getting soft aimbot, cause they are inferior at the game. How they do this is irrelevant, but ultimately for fairness, soft aimbot has no bearing on a comp shooter and comp game in general. If consoles play only with each other and with AA thats fine. They could also simply remove aim assist and allow you to plug a MnK into your console and be done with it, you choose what you want and both platforms can do what they like.2.Equality isnt giving one platform a huge advantage over the other, cause the hardware is inferior for the task. It would be allowing both platforms to use the superior hardware aka MnK or seperating them so it doesnt impact em. Like how we have female and male sports...

@WTF_Huitzo " i'm all in for input lobbies , roller player should all be on console lobbies."How about no? Don't make your PC issues a console issue.

@ComicBookGuy2727 1. The movement techs are inherent bugs in the game that the developers have allowed and want to keep in the game, nearly all forms of movement tech can be done with controllers as well. But yes for fairness they should allow controllers to have an option to also be able to do them. But either way, being able to perform something better cause your input is different is vastly different from giving the inferior input soft aimbot as a crutch. Movement is something we found and have learned to use, AA is something they give to all controller players from the getgo, which is completely unfair.2. How the game is meant to be played is subjective, it is a movement based, character shooter/BR, movement tech that was in the game since titanfall doesnt detract from that at all or make em worse players, mastering movement and aiming is harder to do than not to do it, even when it gives you an advantage, it is the whole reason that so few people are able to and bother with actually learning it.3.Again you are mentioning inherent benefits attributed by the input, just being superior vs the inherent input of a developer making and giving someone soft aimbot. Those are very different things, you could technically remove those benefits from pc players or enable more of it to be done on console (all of it is doable on controller pc forexample), but either way they are vastly different "benefits" and one requires massive amounts of skill and knowledge.4.Cause pc players have the stats to prove their arguments and all controller players have is feelings based whine ? Like it isnt even a discussion, you are conflating and equating that bugs and skill based improvements at a game is at all the same as a developer enabling soft aimbot for 80% of the playerbase per default. Now that we can see that AA is massively too good, to the point that everything pro is legit going full controller, it isnt even an argument anymore...5. All this crying is legit that, we dont care how it is done, but the fact of the matter is that it is here. Whether the inputs get seperated and controller players are left out of tournaments is one way to do it, or seperate inputs tournaments, either way the result is the same, AA is removed as a massive disadvantage vs people who doesnt have it, aka MnK players.AA isnt needed for controllers at all, it never has been, it was invented to make bad couch players able to hit a lot more shots and enjoy console gaming a lot more, without feeling how bad they were. This is a fair idea in a none comp or crossplatform game, but in a comp crossplay game, fairness and an equal battlefield is key. The only equal battlefield you can 100% guarantee that, is to have 0 AA in comp and allow everyone to use whatever input they want.

Aim assist is aim bot, we have data now...

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HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
If Respawn actually wants Apex to be fair & balanced but will still not let MnK players turn crossplay off, they need to use data like this to tune AA for roller players. That all assumes that this is valid data.
TheDarkWaver
Seasoned Traveler
1 year ago
@Zamaha400 That is like arguing that abolishing slavery was a benefit to the slaves. Generally we dont consider removing an unfair advantage as a benefit to the opposite party. Which is why saying it is a benefit to MnK is weird, again both inputs have certain strengths and then adding AA onto Controllers in the cross input battle means you gave an unfair advantage to the controller players, that you are simply removing.
TheDarkWaver
Seasoned Traveler
1 year ago
@CCbathwater Just curious, why do you mind playing with Xbox ? Like it is near identical input methods and their controllers are so damn similar. In my opinion it would be like a windows player saying they dont want to play with linux players or mac players in online games ?
Frosty20203
1 year ago
If my all gets even worse, I’m quitting, and so will 1000s of others. Then we’ll see if the game survives.
TheDarkWaver
Seasoned Traveler
1 year ago
@Frosty20203 What do you mean "All" ? If you mean Aim assist, then the games charts on pc (steam) has been bleeding players through a lot of seasons and at least a lot of em is related to aim assist although not solely. Console AA can stay whatever they want, when theyplay with each other.
Zamaha400
1 year ago
@TheDarkWaver After looking it up it seems I'm wrong. I've always used the word "benefit" to refer to which side something leans toward however it seems it means to give an advantage to or profit. I was lightly mocking MnK for focusing on their disadvantages while claiming a one-sided fix would make things equal. I don't believe things can be equal between the two inputs and even if the devs found a way I doubt both communities will agree things are fair.
Both inputs don't have strengths sans AA though. The one advantage controller has is Aim assist unless there's another I've taken for granted. Taking it away wouldn't make things "fair" it would just give MnK an undisputed advantage... which the Mnk community would call fair.
Hagrin
New Adventurer
1 year ago
@Zamaha400 wrote:
@TheDarkWaver After looking it up it seems I'm wrong. I've always used the word "benefit" to refer to which side something leans toward however it seems it means to give an advantage to or profit. I was lightly mocking MnK for focusing on their disadvantages while claiming a one-sided fix would make things equal. I don't believe things can be equal between the two inputs and even if the devs found a way I doubt both communities will agree things are fair.
Both inputs don't have strengths sans AA though. The one advantage controller has is Aim assist unless there's another I've taken for granted. Taking it away wouldn't make things "fair" it would just give MnK an undisputed advantage... which the Mnk community would call fair.
Therefore splitting the 2 platforms is the best solution...
KurisuK36
1 year ago
You wanna be a contrarian for fun. Get off this forum.
AcidicSoda44031
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
I still want to know where I can buy one of these clearly better, more advanced controllers, because my AA literally does NOTHING and never did anything, at all. I can turn it off and not notice any difference, really.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
1 year ago
@reconzero R5 sadly is apex overall. Its the season 3 launch of apex. So it shares the same coding/resources/mechanics. The game for the most part is normal apex but like regular apex there is optional games where there are twists different types of matches. But, the core of the game is apex legends.

Keep in mind also that almost every comp pro player out there uses R5 for their practice.

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