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Hero (Retired)

3 years ago

Any struggling to go back to BR?

After spending all week playing gun run I tried a couple games of BR today and could not get back into it. I'm sure eventually I will but having to loot and no auto shield healing is what bothers me....

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KelRiever

Not applicable

3 years ago

BR shouldn't ever really be the main game mode for any game. But thanks to player gambler mentality and the need to think everything is serious, the blow off for fun format is now the 'main' format for grinding money and time out of players.

Gun Run and Control are simply better games, by any standard other than screwing around and having fun. I don't find it so hard to go back to BR because I just don't take it that seriously at all, and that's what saves it for me. I have no concerns whatsoever about playing dirty, either, in BR and that includes ranked mode, though I've given up on that until at least the split because of how atrocious that mode is.

I really just don't expect it to change anytime soon. The people at and who represent Respawn are simply too obtuse to understand their own game. Which also is fine if you can care less about them too and squeeze this game for the parts that are okay to play.

reconzero

Seasoned Ace

3 years ago

@KelRiever

"BR shouldn't ever really be the main game mode for any game."

Wow, if it wasn't then I would have quit first-person shooters a long time ago. For me there has never been a playable ltm in this game except for the first iteration of winter express. Even the second version was terrible, and the rest of this stuff just makes me sad that everyone jumps into a battle royale game and then wants to play CoD or Halo or Overwatch.

CCbathwater
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero Winter Express... can't wait. ❤️
KelRiever
Not applicable
3 years ago
@reconzero But really? Or is it just that FPS modes had to evolve?
See, I agree with you on that CoD and Overwatch are bad, Halo is fine, just not for everyone.
I'd simply say Control and Gun Run are two examples of modes that are better than BR. And I didn't say we should get rid of BR. But I cannot for the life of me imagine why...if you are loading up into a game with 57 other people against your team, that anyone could call this a serious competitive game when you only rank up if you beat, say, 45 of those other people. To me, that's just silly fun, but I would NEVER take that mode seriously.
And while I get some people could, I know of no competitive games in the world other than BR world that try to stoke serious play into this format. If we were really being serious, we would make a format not nearly open so much as to dumb luck. I'm not knocking dumb luck, I'm just saying if I'm playing in a dumb luck game, I'm having a good time and not caring about the results nearly as much.
So, I guess it is a matter of what I'm saying is fun is not necessarily serious hard core. And what made competitive gaming fun to me would be balance. And yet, lack of balance is what people somehow find exciting, and then rage over when they don't win because when they said 'balance' they really meant 'make me win'. :P That's not about you, but more like what I see is the totally skewed mentality of BR seriousface gamers.
You know, BR could be a serious mode, if you scored it like esports does. But we pleebs don't get that benefit, do we?
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@KelRiever

I didn't even necessarily mean to suggest that arena shooters are bad. Only that they're different, simpler, and purely about aim. I don't think that's a terrible thing - it's just one-dimensional to my way of looking at it.

Battle Royale, on the other hand, is more than just landing the shot. Yes, luck plays a role in br, but I think that the players who are the most successful at rising up the ladder are the players who find ways to minimize the impact of luck. They make their own luck, as it were. Or to put it another way, luck may play an outsized role in a given match, but taking a career's worth of matches into account, the players who stop relying on luck will be the ones with the best statistics.

But where we really disagree is on the idea that the competitive integrity of a game rests on the quality of its ranking system. Pubs has a ranking system too, but it leaves it to the individual player to decide how best to judge that rank (k/d or win rate), and makes it a little harder (though not impossible) to make that rank visible to other players. To me that's all the positives of rank with none of the head-game garbage of an actual ranking system.

But that said, a huge yes to the idea of making Apex ranked look and work exactly like algs.