Apex is just broken
Hello. As the title states the game is just broken. The game has no consistency. I get that situations are dynamic and players are better than others. However that’s not the problem. I can get instan...
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@NickBeam27 Okay, round two:
EOMM could be part of what the OP is describing, but real-world SBMM could just as easily produce a god-match followed immediately by a drubbing. The paper seems to suggest that while EOMM gives slightly higher player retention (less "churn"), the difference isn't really that huge. If I read it right. Which I might not have - that was a lot of math.
But the thing I read about after made me genuinely uncomfortable: dynamic difficulty adjustment. EOMM and SBMM are just two slightly different ways of determining who will play against who, but DDA seems in principle to be much more likely to cause some of the symptoms people are describing. And we know EA has patents on it and has used it in single player games. How it would apply to a multiplayer game is harder to understand, and I have to think that if they tried it and anybody ever had a shred of proof that it was happening then you would see this game end overnight. Though I'm certainly willing to listen to anything anyone has to say on the subject.
EOMM could be part of what the OP is describing, but real-world SBMM could just as easily produce a god-match followed immediately by a drubbing. The paper seems to suggest that while EOMM gives slightly higher player retention (less "churn"), the difference isn't really that huge. If I read it right. Which I might not have - that was a lot of math.
But the thing I read about after made me genuinely uncomfortable: dynamic difficulty adjustment. EOMM and SBMM are just two slightly different ways of determining who will play against who, but DDA seems in principle to be much more likely to cause some of the symptoms people are describing. And we know EA has patents on it and has used it in single player games. How it would apply to a multiplayer game is harder to understand, and I have to think that if they tried it and anybody ever had a shred of proof that it was happening then you would see this game end overnight. Though I'm certainly willing to listen to anything anyone has to say on the subject.
@reconzeroI've suspected DDA for years, imo it compliments what EOMM is trying to accomplish so why not use it then? Main reason I say this is things don't seem constant. A strafing opponent is seemingly moving so fast that I can't score a single hit while other times I empty whole mags into them and it just feels easier. Same with things like movement, ads speed, reload speed and weapon swaps; it sometimes feels slower than normal in the heat of a fight and often get's me killed. Could it be intentional so that I lose?
Slightly off topic but one thing that always fascinated me when watching live streams is that all the big names never ever even once encounter these problems. In fact, for such high level players their lobbies often seem quite easy too. One big name streamer comes to mind that always played with random little kids and he would end up winning the fight for them when they go down. He was legit Predator level, which means his lobbies should reflect that - except they don't by the way he seemingly melted everyone. I can't stress enough how hard it is to win solo in a Pred lobby like that. I honestly don't know what to make of it all but it's interesting none the less.
- @Sand_spitter I know exactly what you mean on the subject of matches where everything just "works" followed immediately by matches where nothing works at all. It feels as if you just switched to an entirely different game and no one told you. But I was experiencing that in shooters twenty years ago, long before DDA existed (I think) and long before SBMM was any more complex than kills divided by deaths. Then I thought: connection quality issues, latency issues, cheater issues, smurf issues, you know the entire litany of shady things that can go wrong with an online multiplayer game. In the end I had to clean all that crap out of my brain or go down the dark and lonely road of conspiracy theories. Of course, the fact that we're even having this discussion may well prove I still have one foot on that path....
I never felt being cheated by the system while playing quake3, unreal tournaments and others.. Just never. If someone owe me (without cheats) it was due to being better.
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