Arenas SBMM

@Axs5626Sxa5001 Hmm i play arena mode exclusively at the moment hardly ever touching pubs. Wins are 100% easier to obtain in arena mode verse pubs. You have a 50% chance every game at winning. Verse the like 5% chance in full pub lobby.

Im quite good at the game on good days that is. Even I am not seeing tons of preds in there but randomly. I have ran into viss/tannerslays and few other big names but even though we almost won i just moved to the next. I find it odd that 53 games straight provided you with non stop pred 3 stacks. Thats statistically impossible nearly. In terms of how many users are in que for 2 teams to finally be placed into a lobby chances of even running constantly into the same teams are quite slim.

Not at all saying its impossible but just seems like its being over stated a tad. I only have a 55% win rating in there which is kinda low. I run into very good players. As you are. But saying its every single lobby? I cant say i experience that at all.

@Axs5626Sxa5001 So your top 30 in the world for headshots on console. This tells me you know how to point and shoot your gun properly. Which makes you a well above-average player. I feel you are playing verse people you should be playing against. You are top 30 in the world for headshots which means you know the basics and more of the game. I dont feel they should be placing you in lesser skilled lobbies. You are one the big boys you will be playing with the big boys.

@Axs5626Sxa5001 Also wanna add that apex tracker is a bad reference to use. As example I have 18k+ games played which places me number 6 in the world for games played and number 1 on pc platform. While its cool i made the leaderboards for something i also understand there are millions who dont display these stats to even be recorded.

The tracker will only show whats displayed on your player card. So if you never say add games played then your tracker will not display this. So im sure yourself and myself are much further behind then what is shown compared to some.

@E9ine_AC

Eh. I feel that’s the way ranked should work— not non-ranked.

I feel like SBMM is noble in intent but has a really ugly “unintended consequence”. And that consequence is: players of all skill start winning and losing at similar rates. This is called “equal outcomes”.

I don’t like equal outcomes in PvP.

I think there should be equal outcomes in modes designated as “ranked”, because those modes require the player to opt into “tournament-level” matches.

But I feel like creating an environment where everyone wins equally does a disservice to the notion of becoming skilled. You don’t improve to lose more, you improve to win more. I’m losing more now (overall: pubs + ranked) than I did when I was average at the game.

Hear me out— I don’t want to exclusively play weaker players. That would be boring. But I also don’t want to exclusively play my doppelgänger. I just want a bit more variance from my pubs.

I spoke with someone yesterday that praised SBMM. They told me that skill shouldn’t matter in video games. They said that everyone deserves to win, regardless of skill. I have serious issues with this sort of thinking.

@Axs5626Sxa5001 I take it that you are also in a 3 stack? Otherwise it doesn't make sense that game would put you on highest difficulty. I have heard SBMM is pretty aggressive for pre-made team.

Do I like SBMM? Not how it works currently. I often get lvl 10-20 on my team, if I don't 1v3 the game is lost. I am not a pro player, I can only do so much. I would rather that game matches me evenly, I find those matches to be more enjoyable.

I have also lost to a fair amount of pre-made teams, sometimes even 4-5 games in a row as a Solo-queue player. And then next game, I win 3-0 without even trying which is again not fun at all.

What's your win rate? From my experience, Arena MMR has the end goal to give you a 50% win rate.

@Axs5626Sxa5001 Well I also wonder with how sbmm is currently working in arena mode if this is not tailoring / testing for ranked once it releases.

@BaldWraithSimp Yea there is most certainly a huge difference in solo queue and pre mades. I wont go into detail about what ive found with sbmm but it will take into account all 3 members not the highest ranked user in the party. His actual rank will play a role in it dont get me wrong but once you pre party is checking for quite a bit more on the stats.

@BaldWraithSimp

Yes I am playing in a 3-stack. I have a 36%win rate right now. Not bad considering I’m playing the best players in the world.

But hear me out— isn’t the notion of “leaving everyone with a 50% win rate” ridiculous?

Better players SHOULD win more— shouldn’t they? To each their own I guess. Personally, I do think it’s ridiculous that people who are average (or even lower) are sporting better win rates than people who comprise the top 10% regarding skill.