I have played Apex for many many years and have finally said to myself that Apex is no longer a MKB game. I just wanted to know if other MBK players feel that same and have moved on or thinking about moving on? As a Plat, Diamon and Master player in the last 5 dayts I'm lucking to come out with 10 kills and have decided after carefull thinking it's just not a game to be played on PC. I feel like I'm out matched out gunned and have no shield whatso ever. Just wanted to know other PC players thoughts?Peace out

Bye. MnK still outnumbers controllers players on PC 10 to 1. Look at every single AGLS, where MnK was and always will be the dominant input device on PC. It's just easier for players to use the aim assist argument than admitting their level at the game, I get it.

@LaughingSharko Horrible matchmaking & ineffective anti-cheat are the reasons more than MnK vs Controller AA.

@Nost-xxI'm not trying to minimize your frustration in any way, but I just need to know if I read your post right. You're consistently ranking somewhere around diamond, maybe a little higher or lower... and you feel lucky anymore to come out of a match with ten kills? Or is that ten kills in a night over multiple matches? Just trying to get my bearings here.

First of all I want to address aim assist. From what I remember if you are playing console and console only it's set at 0.6. If you are playing on PC with a controller I believe it's 0.4, 60% and 40% respectively. There is a video out there demonstrating 100% aim assist and it's not what you think. It's aim assist not aim lock on. Even with 100% the reticle still slips away if there is movement involved. It's effective but it's not what you think. For those who don't know there is a bubble surrounding each character and the reticle will, to a degree, stick to the bubble NOT the legend. The reticle will follow the bubble but if the reticle is not on the legend the shots will not hit. Aim assist also doesn't care about recoil. If you can't control recoil then aim assist does nothing. I play controller but I have the option to play MnK and have before. I would say MnK definitely dominates movement. Can controller players do the same? Sure, but it's much harder to learn how to move on controller like somebody does with MnK. Tap straffing for example. I can think of maybe 2 people that can do that. Aim is also much easier on MnK. Try shooting a hemlock with a 3 times at a distance you would actually use a 3 times for. Not up close but a good distance. Seeing as MnK don't use Aim assist I would also say turn off the aim assist. I think you'll find, with proper settings, that MnK is far easier to control than a controller, hence why aim assist exists. You could say that Aim assist is OP or something like that but I've used both. I've spent years on controller, I grew up on controller, controller makes sense to me and it's far easier to use. However if I had the time to learn MnK and put in the hours I definitely would. To me there is just no question. It's faster and easier to aim hands down. Second thing I want to address is the skill gap now versus season 4 or 5. It's changed. A lot. I remember watching YouTube videos of Hal playing controller with somebody else and they didn't know what the buttons were or how to do things and they were still slaying. My only reason for that is because their game sense was so high they didn't need to be amazing aimers or cracked out movement gods. They just understood what was going to happen before it happened. That's a huge lesson that I think a lot of people have learned over the years. People are getting better at the game and because of that people blame it on things like aim assist or aim bot.For those talking about The finals.... it has aim assist for both PC and console. So I don't know what the issue is. I also don't know if anyone remembers when aim assist was turned off for either a couple of days or a couple of hours in Apex and it genuinely broke the game. Like, nobody could play Apex. That should give you an idea on how important it is. Is there cheaters in the game? Obviously. Are they as prevalent as you think? I would say no. If you can, when you die and you think somebody is cheating start recording, Maybe they actually are cheating and now you have evidence. Hard proof is going to get them banned most likely. So that's great news. I would argue though that most of the time you just got bested because of the choices you made. Most likely more to do with positioning and game sense and less to do with aim and movement.

@Nost-xxas soon as "The Finals" will hit the Steam Store a lot of MnK players will leave Apex for good ... keep an eye on Finals and Apex Steam Charts and compare.They learned not to overtune Aim Assist and you always have the option to OptOut of Crossplay , no matter if Console or Not ... and still had 7.5Mio players in Open Beta.To the Respawn Apex Devs : This should be a warning sign, to adress the issues that have been brought up numerous times in the past.

As a PC gamer I think it's time to move on

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r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Nost-xxas soon as "The Finals" will hit the Steam Store a lot of MnK players will leave Apex for good ... keep an eye on Finals and Apex Steam Charts and compare.
They learned not to overtune Aim Assist and you always have the option to OptOut of Crossplay , no matter if Console or Not ... and still had 7.5Mio players in Open Beta.
To the Respawn Apex Devs : This should be a warning sign, to adress the issues that have been brought up numerous times in the past.
LaughingSharko
2 years ago
@Nost-xx You're spot on. It's not really the KBM vs Controller that's the problem, though. It's the devs allowance of exploits like macros, no-recoil, tap/neostrafing, etc. This probably affects honest players on all platforms. It's more a death-by-a-thousand-cheaters vs. the rest of us issue.
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@LaughingSharko yea and the new MM just drives more people to use those things, downward spiral
DankToliet
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Bye. MnK still outnumbers controllers players on PC 10 to 1.
Look at every single AGLS, where MnK was and always will be the dominant input device on PC.
It's just easier for players to use the aim assist argument than admitting their level at the game, I get it.
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@LaughingSharko Horrible matchmaking & ineffective anti-cheat are the reasons more than MnK vs Controller AA.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Nost-xx

I'm not trying to minimize your frustration in any way, but I just need to know if I read your post right. You're consistently ranking somewhere around diamond, maybe a little higher or lower... and you feel lucky anymore to come out of a match with ten kills? Or is that ten kills in a night over multiple matches? Just trying to get my bearings here.
drevinum9
2 years ago
The game is in abnormally bad state and if anyone claims it is better now than before season 16 are mental. I am waiting for a new game and as many here already spoken about the finals I might take a look at it. They killed my favorite game with season 17 and replaced it with what I think of as the worst game that ever could have been thought of and they made it to a reality.
Bacardian
2 years ago
@DankToliet wrote:
It's just easier for players to use the aim assist ~~argument~~ than admitting their level at the game, I get it.

Fixed this for you... Keep defending what everyone knows is exploitative. Weak attempt at insult is only a show of your actual character. Remove it from all or keep the lobbies separate, until then you're simply defending those willing to get an illicit gain over honest players. I'm a very casual player now that returned after over a year only to go looking on the forums as to why everyone seems to have an aimbot. Found you and this post.
But people like you defending this being allowed to take place most certainly are not the ones who need it to gain an advantage. Right? Lol. You sound like a clown and my friends and I wont be revisiting this title again.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
2 years ago
@DankToliet Where is it your data shows mouse and keyboard out number console/controller users?

Because a vast amount of the population are console players. Heavily out weighing pc players.
CCbathwater
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@E9ine_AC He said "on PC", he didn't talk about console.