Bangalore needs a major rework
Let's look at her smoke, it's easily countered by Digital threats. Blood hound can see straight through it with scans or ult. Horizon can also get out of the smoke easily or look down into it and see...
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Lets be 100% real here. I`m a long time Bangalore ult, and i consider myself a decent player. I barely play lately, but watch ShivFPS by a lot, but still have a very good game knowledge, and how to use every legend, and its ability, how to outplay a certain legend, how to counter, and to play to my legend strenghts.
Let me state that Bangalore was perfectly fine back at Season 5, before the Event and the drastic changes, and the total power creep of the abilities after that.
In this season Bangalore get a shadow nerf with removing the LP. It just make her even worst choice.
And what people don`t understand is, the strafing animation of some legends, and how this is making a huge impact in the game. Bangalore strafe animation is garbage. Her hitbox is average, but still bigger than Wattson, Wraith, Pathy, Lifeline, Horizon, Octane and so. And all of the above legends have way superior strafing animation compare to her.
This is the first thing.
Let me break her abilities.
Double time - a good one. But its getting trigger when you are on W key + sprinting. Its 2 seconds, but if you know what you are doing, its going to give you wonders, but there is just way better speed abilities than this, like Octane stim, and BH ulty for example.
Smoke Launcher - in a lot of situation this is a 50-50 ability, and can do you wrong even if you use it the right way. And there is million counters to it. Its really work good on Low skill lobbies, the higher the skill, the worst this ability become. For players like Me and ShivFPS, who are Solo Q, and playing mostly Pub its good, but in High level play and/or Competition its a 50-50 in many many situation. You can pretty much **** your team big time with it. Diffq was mad big time on ShivFPS in multiple occasion because of it. And i think ShivFPS tried BH, even tho he is a Bang lover big time.
Ult - its terrible. Its so-so in a low skill level lobbies, but the higher the skill goes, its getting worst. Devs obviously don`t know what they are doing.
Darth you have been very gentle to them. Its pretty much 50% of the legend have a ability that straight up dodge her ult completely.
Wraith phase, Loba bracelet, Path grapple, Octane jump pad, Horizon lift, Wattson ult, and Valkyrie as well.
Not to mention you can just go into building and dodge the whole ult.
And not to even mention that its so slow and the spread is big, the chance its getting you hit its very small, and the damage is low, and you are safe, cause if the enemy is in there, its going to slow them too ....
Her whole kit is good against low tier lobbies, but its getting worst and worst with a better lobbies.
Her are the obvious suggestion, that will make her good, but still balanced properly, without being S tier or so.
Passive - its a good one, and its a passive after all, so if they buff the seconds or the speed, maybe it will get a bit too much. Maybe she shouldn`t be slowed by the bullets that hit her after the passive is active.
Tactical - giving her a sight in the Smoke will be way too much, and be totally unbalance and i`m always fair and unbiased when i`m talking about balance, so that will be crap change, so people who wants this, just want their .... to be alright, and don`t care about overall balance.
Her are my suggestion.
BH scan should reveal her, but just for a quick sec, and then she is gone(if its in the smoke or behind it), same with all the other revealing abilities.
Maybe and just maybe and this need to be tested, if you smoke at someone, add a brief stun with the 10 damage it does. Like 1 sec or so. This or a brief slow in the smoke for the enemies, for like 1 sec.
Her ult - just make it thicker, and that no legends can dodge it, except for the Wattson and Gibraltar dome. Make it hit even if the legends are in the air, like Horizon, Valk, Octane, Path and so.
Make it hit Wraith as well during a phase. It have enough time to move away from it, and no ability should be make you completely skip it.
And the other thing that will be good is that make Bangalore takes no damage, and no slow if she is hit by the rocket. And by saying Bangalore i mean the Bangalore that do the work, not all Bang in game. Just make her invulnerable to her rocket, and to not be slowed.
This changes and she will be rock solid, but balanced and fair.
@LordloshBang What you suggest would alter the game completely. Because once you make 1 legend do things to legends in the air or during a active ability then everyone wants for all legends. So ults touching people in the air completely destroys how they counter certain things at certain times. That is quite a drastic change and would be devastating to those legends.
How exactly ? And why didn`t they think how stupid and useless Bangalore ult is, by pretty much giving half of the cast a get out of jail card against her ult.
How stupid is for Horizon to lift her in the middle of the rockets and stay in there without being touched ....
And not just her, but half of the cast.
My main problem again is the certain ability, that totally bypass her ult, which should not be the case. They should have think about that.
And lets be real most common legends - Octane, Wraith, Horizon, Valkyrie now, they all get a free pass on her ult. This would be acceptable if let say they are using their ult so they can dodge Bangalore ult, but they are using a 20sec CD tactical to bypass a 3 minutes ultimate ....
Absolutely terrible design.
@WreckingVi, i alone have more than 6k kills with Bangalore, having in mind that i pretty much played Season 4 and Season 5 till the middle, and after that i just come for a few days/maybe a week to see how the things are on this account exclusively.
Pretty sure the other 2 Bangalore in the thread are playing more regularly and have higher kills/matches played.
So trying to give us suggestion to watch someone, which everyone here probably watched for a plenty of time already is just ridiculous.
You ain`t talking with some beginners, you know ?
And Bangalore atm is pretty weak, esp with the latest event. There is just so so much better legends for the stuff you will ever need on using her.
- @LordloshBang Well, you disable the need completely to be able to counter ults and abilities. Bang ult lands horizon zooms up or pathy zips away. This is a strategy in which they saved their ability knowing this may happen during this fight. This does not mean its not right it just means they think smart.
Wattson ult destroys all ults she bypasses multiple minute timers.
Gibby bubble also grants them a get-out-of-jail-free card.
Caustic gas can clear fields for an advantage or defense purposes
Crypto can ult an area and unless Wattson is around or Gibby no one can counter this if in the ratio of that circle.
Gibby ult hits its virtually in most cases impossible to avoid unless right beside a building. Which if in the open only Wattson can counter.
You have a revenant whose ult can not be countered unless you find where they have placed the totem.
Rampart ult can not be counter by anyone in terms of abilities unless a sky legend lets its rain down.
So as you can see every legend has strong points and weak points of who can counter who. Every legend has its purpose and its counter methods. It's up to the user if they wish to think of ways to use them to counter things. The changes you offer would drastically change all countermeasures. Saying they should not counter it is like saying Wattson can not counter every single ult in the game which she can. If it happens to 1 everyone would want it to happen to all.Did you read my whole post?
As i said Wattson ult and Gibraltar dome should still be countering her ult.
But what did you say with your post has no made any sense at all.
Right now, as i stated, half of the legends are countering Bangalore Ult, that already have ENOUGH WAY TO Counter it, and you have enough time to moving out of the rocket damage radius or just stay in the radius, but find a place, where you won`t be hit by it. I have done this million times, even when they put the whole Ult on me, and i`m poping a bat i still can find a safe place without full movement(due to healing)to stay safe in the radius and not get hit.
Isn`t this enough counter? Isn`t that you have all the time in the world to move, not enough counter? Isn`t that if you go into building is not enough counter? Not only that, but you just need a roof, it could be open place, but if you have roof - Bangalore ult not working at all.
Her ult is already garbage enough. You should not allow a passive or tactical ability to bypass her completely, when you already have 3923792832893 ways of counter her "naturally".
Her ult is garbage, unless you are playing against super low level lobbies that obviously don`t know what they are doing.
For god sake even if i`m downed, and Bangalore ult directly at me i can still find a spot where i will be 100% free and she won`t kill me.
Her ult in a higher lobbies, damn even at average lobbies where people just know what they are doing, and are not fully potato won`t do anything for you.
Even if you use it, as a escape ability, still won`t work, cause Wraith will just phase through it, Octane will jump pad on it, Path will grapple, Horizon will lift, Valk will dodge it with her passive(another joke), Loba will bracelet and you get the picture and you still be end up dead.
And you can`t compare her to different ult, like Caustic or Giby, cause Caustic is straight up instant, and if it throws it right, you will be hit by it, and slowed by it. Gibraltar is pretty much instant as well, and you end up at the radius, you will be get hit like 90% of the time, cause you can`t predict exactly where the rockets will drop, unlike with Bangalore, where you even have indicator for them .....
I just don`t see how is that fair to Bangalore. Her ult is useless if you have a decent game knowledge.
And like 90% of the people are using this legends, so 90% of the lobbies will just have a free ticket for her ult, even if they decide to sleep and stay on the radius of her ult, they still have a free ticket, which is ridiculous.
- @LordloshBang Wraith always needed to rely on weapons to win fights and yet she was nerfed over and over, not saying just pointing that all legends needs to use weapons mainly to win fights. All legends need that, some less and some more. I see no problem here. Horizon went up during Bang's ult? Beam her.
@WreckingVi wrote:
@LordloshBangWraith always needed to rely on weapons to win fights and yet she was nerfed over and over, not saying just pointing that all legends needs to use weapons mainly to win fights. All legends need that, some less and some more. I see no problem here. Horizon went up during Bang's ult? Beam her.With all due respect, but this thing here have absolutely no sense at all. :D
And then why people were super harsh on Wraith, because their main thinks they are the best, yet they were relying on a broken legend for way too long, so they think that they are actually good. When they tooned her, they were all over the place on this forum, complaining on daily basis. :DAnd don`t kidding me bro, Wraith has the best kit for so so long ,you can`t even compare her to Bangalore. Wraith at her worst(when was even that), was still like 10x time more picked and better than Bangalore.
But i guess you are right i was relying way too much on Bangalore Smoke to insta kill my opponents, as well as my ult to insta kill whole lobbies. Oh dear and i forget i have integrated a speed hack on my double time passive as well.
It`s so unfair to play against Bangalore ....
E9ine_AC, and ShivFPS is the type of guy that will pretty much never complain about imbalance, legends been OP/Broken, same as weapon. He got to switch out to do it. :D
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