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Ingeniekey

3 years ago

Solved

Boring teammates = Boring game

Boring teammates love to loot.

Boring teammates doesn't push.

Boring teammates are scared to play the game and cope by looting and postponing fights.

Boring teammates have no incentive to play the game other than looting to pacify themselves.

Boring teammates separate on an exotic journey around the world to loot their backpacks, gets insta downed by a full team holding hands.

Boring teammates doesn't learn.

Write GG in chat.

Blocking players.

Next round.

Same.

Boring.

Just waiting for this game to get flamed as much as Battlefield 2042.

Its just as boring.

discussion

reconzero
3 years ago
Well, you pretty much just described me and I have no doubt I've bored a lot of teammates over the last few seasons. I know this won't make you feel any better or stop you from being bored, but I'll go ahead and try to explain what's actually going on, at least with me.
I'm a day one player with a lot of matches under my belt and who solo queues. What this means to this discussion is that I seldom have any idea about the qualities, characteristics, or play styles of my randomly matched team. Nobody seems to put anything of any value on their banner because they think banners are for bragging (and presumably they have nothing they think is worth bragging about???) But they're wrong on this point, as on so many others. You're banner is for your squad to make some kind of assessment as to what you're capable of (and what not).
So I often find myself in matches with people I know nothing about. My first glimpse into their soul is the LZs they ping. Most are kids who saw a youtube video that said real men jump into the hottest, most contested place on the map. And that's what they do. Because they don't know any better? Because they think they're diamond when they're maybe really silver? Because they think they'll never get to diamond if they don't act like a diamond? Because they believe they'll never win anyway so why bother trying? I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking because most of them don't know either. They're just doing stuff without a conscious motivation or a game plan. Because they saw a video of some one percenter and that's what he did.
So me, as a more experienced player who solo queues, is just supposed to keep making all these dumb mistakes and taking all these unnecessary risks because my squad hasn't yet learned any better? I worked that crap out of my system thousands of matches ago. Now I know enough about this game to know that it's largely luck-based, whatever you may want to believe to the contrary, and that my win rate goes through the roof by avoiding conflict rather than seeking it out. Let me say that again: gun fights in this game may be exciting for those with short attention spans, but the more of them you get into then the lower your odds of winning. That's the mainspring of battle royale game design. The devs would rather you didn't believe it because people who realize it play more like me and less like you, and that bores people. Like you, for example.
So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a guns-ablazing play style. And it doesn't matter whether that leads to wins or not, as long as you're enjoying it. But if you happened to get matched with me - someone who won't jump with you, won't take a lot of risks, won't hold your hand around the map - that doesn't mean I'm a bad player or that I don't know what I'm doing. It just means we're not really playing the same game. And that's not my fault any more than it is yours or even Respawn's. It's just a bad match where I play it quiet until your impatience gets you and our third squadmate killed and then I have to quit. Then you're pissed that I wasted your match, but guess what? I'm pissed that you wasted mine too.
Food for thought.

17 Replies

reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Well, you pretty much just described me and I have no doubt I've bored a lot of teammates over the last few seasons. I know this won't make you feel any better or stop you from being bored, but I'll go ahead and try to explain what's actually going on, at least with me.
I'm a day one player with a lot of matches under my belt and who solo queues. What this means to this discussion is that I seldom have any idea about the qualities, characteristics, or play styles of my randomly matched team. Nobody seems to put anything of any value on their banner because they think banners are for bragging (and presumably they have nothing they think is worth bragging about???) But they're wrong on this point, as on so many others. You're banner is for your squad to make some kind of assessment as to what you're capable of (and what not).
So I often find myself in matches with people I know nothing about. My first glimpse into their soul is the LZs they ping. Most are kids who saw a youtube video that said real men jump into the hottest, most contested place on the map. And that's what they do. Because they don't know any better? Because they think they're diamond when they're maybe really silver? Because they think they'll never get to diamond if they don't act like a diamond? Because they believe they'll never win anyway so why bother trying? I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking because most of them don't know either. They're just doing stuff without a conscious motivation or a game plan. Because they saw a video of some one percenter and that's what he did.
So me, as a more experienced player who solo queues, is just supposed to keep making all these dumb mistakes and taking all these unnecessary risks because my squad hasn't yet learned any better? I worked that crap out of my system thousands of matches ago. Now I know enough about this game to know that it's largely luck-based, whatever you may want to believe to the contrary, and that my win rate goes through the roof by avoiding conflict rather than seeking it out. Let me say that again: gun fights in this game may be exciting for those with short attention spans, but the more of them you get into then the lower your odds of winning. That's the mainspring of battle royale game design. The devs would rather you didn't believe it because people who realize it play more like me and less like you, and that bores people. Like you, for example.
So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a guns-ablazing play style. And it doesn't matter whether that leads to wins or not, as long as you're enjoying it. But if you happened to get matched with me - someone who won't jump with you, won't take a lot of risks, won't hold your hand around the map - that doesn't mean I'm a bad player or that I don't know what I'm doing. It just means we're not really playing the same game. And that's not my fault any more than it is yours or even Respawn's. It's just a bad match where I play it quiet until your impatience gets you and our third squadmate killed and then I have to quit. Then you're pissed that I wasted your match, but guess what? I'm pissed that you wasted mine too.
Food for thought.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Ingeniekey What was the point of this post? There is an option to no fill. Then you don't have to worry about anyone.
The65thCavalry
Seasoned Traveler
3 years ago
lol no fill an option to guarantee you dont win... devs where pretty intentional about making solo play impossible while also destroying solo queue
OldTreeCreeper
Hero+
3 years ago
@reconzero well put 😉
OldTreeCreeper
Hero+
3 years ago
@The65thCavalry to add to what @hayhor mentioned, perhaps you need to make a friend or two to play with consistantly as a team.
Zkepz
3 years ago
@The65thCavalry wrote:
lol no fill an option to guarantee you dont win... devs where pretty intentional about making solo play impossible while also destroying solo queue
That is not true, there is a lot of fun in no-fill and I had some quite badass games running solo. There is a time and place for it though 😉 Ps dont go nofill after a few good games, do it when you had a bad streak and people start soften up around you.
CCbathwater
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Don't know if my teammates are boring as I mute them. But they sure aren't worth much in-game. Almost seems like it's worse than usual.
Kyldenar
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero wrote:
So me, as a more experienced player who solo queues, is just supposed to keep making all these dumb mistakes and taking all these unnecessary risks because my squad hasn't yet learned any better? I worked that crap out of my system thousands of matches ago. Now I know enough about this game to know that it's largely luck-based, whatever you may want to believe to the contrary, and that my win rate goes through the roof by avoiding conflict rather than seeking it out. Let me say that again: gun fights in this game may be exciting for those with short attention spans, but the more of them you get into then the lower your odds of winning. That's the mainspring of battle royale game design. The devs would rather you didn't believe it because people who realize it play more like me and less like you, and that bores people. Like you, for example.
So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a guns-ablazing play style. And it doesn't matter whether that leads to wins or not, as long as you're enjoying it. But if you happened to get matched with me - someone who won't jump with you, won't take a lot of risks, won't hold your hand around the map - that doesn't mean I'm a bad player or that I don't know what I'm doing. It just means we're not really playing the same game. And that's not my fault any more than it is yours or even Respawn's. It's just a bad match where I play it quiet until your impatience gets you and our third squadmate killed and then I have to quit. Then you're pissed that I wasted your match, but guess what? I'm pissed that you wasted mine too.
Food for thought.
I play much the same way. I don't care about kills, I care about winning. And the objective to win is to be the last person alive.
Honestly, I really wish they would totally change up the BR floor loot and drop model.
Vastly reduced floor loot. In particular on ammo and health items. Like, 1-5% remains of what you find on the maps now.
You drop with a set loadout.
It's hard to get more ammo and health, so you can't just spray bullets into every fight you see. You have to think. You have to pick your fights.
Make this more about survival than run and gun, and it would be awesome.
As it is, I went from completing the last 3 season passes entirely to barely playing this season just because the matchmaking is terrible and no one plays the objective.
I'm tired of being put in a matchup just to be streamer food. This is not my job. I am not getting paid. I just want to have fun.
And I got 2 other games that just dropped me a whole lot of content last month (Destiny 2 and Guild Wars 2) to play that DOES NOT require me to rely on the RNG of team selection and maps.
If I wasn't interested in the Titanfall setting, I'd likely not be here at all.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Kyldenar Yup. I like a lot of your ideas, especially about forcing people to be more circumspect and not just shoot at everything at all times. In the end, there are two types of players. People like the original poster who believe that you have to shoot your way through a match and kill 57 people to win. And people like you and me who know that your odds of winning go way up if you can wait it out to the final three.

I remember back in the day there was a version of Halo (Reach maybe) where you could take a "psych evaluation" and they would use it to match you with like-minded teammates. This game sure could use something along those lines.

CM Edit: Don't be rude.
OldTreeCreeper
Hero+
3 years ago
@reconzero that's a great idea. Somthing needs to be done in that respect. Perhaps after 50 games you get to define the style of play you like best. This would no doubt help respawn further refine their matchmaking algorithm.