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Ingeniekey's avatar
3 years ago
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Boring teammates = Boring game

Boring teammates love to loot.

Boring teammates doesn't push.

Boring teammates are scared to play the game and cope by looting and postponing fights.

Boring teammates have no incentive to play the game other than looting to pacify themselves.

Boring teammates separate on an exotic journey around the world to loot their backpacks, gets insta downed by a full team holding hands.

Boring teammates doesn't learn.

Write GG in chat.

Blocking players.

Next round.

Same.

Boring.

Just waiting for this game to get flamed as much as Battlefield 2042.

Its just as boring.

  • Well, you pretty much just described me and I have no doubt I've bored a lot of teammates over the last few seasons. I know this won't make you feel any better or stop you from being bored, but I'll go ahead and try to explain what's actually going on, at least with me.

    I'm a day one player with a lot of matches under my belt and who solo queues. What this means to this discussion is that I seldom have any idea about the qualities, characteristics, or play styles of my randomly matched team. Nobody seems to put anything of any value on their banner because they think banners are for bragging (and presumably they have nothing they think is worth bragging about???) But they're wrong on this point, as on so many others. You're banner is for your squad to make some kind of assessment as to what you're capable of (and what not).

    So I often find myself in matches with people I know nothing about. My first glimpse into their soul is the LZs they ping. Most are kids who saw a youtube video that said real men jump into the hottest, most contested place on the map. And that's what they do. Because they don't know any better? Because they think they're diamond when they're maybe really silver? Because they think they'll never get to diamond if they don't act like a diamond? Because they believe they'll never win anyway so why bother trying? I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking because most of them don't know either. They're just doing stuff without a conscious motivation or a game plan. Because they saw a video of some one percenter and that's what he did.

    So me, as a more experienced player who solo queues, is just supposed to keep making all these dumb mistakes and taking all these unnecessary risks because my squad hasn't yet learned any better? I worked that crap out of my system thousands of matches ago. Now I know enough about this game to know that it's largely luck-based, whatever you may want to believe to the contrary, and that my win rate goes through the roof by avoiding conflict rather than seeking it out. Let me say that again: gun fights in this game may be exciting for those with short attention spans, but the more of them you get into then the lower your odds of winning. That's the mainspring of battle royale game design. The devs would rather you didn't believe it because people who realize it play more like me and less like you, and that bores people. Like you, for example.

    So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a guns-ablazing play style. And it doesn't matter whether that leads to wins or not, as long as you're enjoying it. But if you happened to get matched with me - someone who won't jump with you, won't take a lot of risks, won't hold your hand around the map - that doesn't mean I'm a bad player or that I don't know what I'm doing. It just means we're not really playing the same game. And that's not my fault any more than it is yours or even Respawn's. It's just a bad match where I play it quiet until your impatience gets you and our third squadmate killed and then I have to quit. Then you're pissed that I wasted your match, but guess what? I'm pissed that you wasted mine too.

     Food for thought.

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  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @OldTreeCreeper I definitely think so, but I suspect Respawn would say that it's yet another split in the player base that would make wait times higher. I distinctly remember that it didn't seem all that effective in Halo (apart from making players feel better), and once the population started to decline it became completely useless. Still, I too would like to see them try. If only because play style is so much more important in battle royale than it is in an arena shooter.
  • OldTreeCreeper's avatar
    OldTreeCreeper
    Hero+
    3 years ago

    @reconzero if the business model has a finite life span for the game then we won't get a solution to this.

    I like @Kyldenar 's idea of a set gun kit to jump with, like most paratroopers. Bit tired of the get lucky or not in the initial bin rush. And nothing less than an r99 to begin with.

    Saying that, why not go for select your own jump kit for the br, much like arenas. 

  • CCbathwater's avatar
    CCbathwater
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    Tried again... 😒 Had to try (and leave) many games. I think I tried around 30 times to get a reasonable squad, with which was a win. One game I had to revive my teammates 7 times during a 1 1/2 minute span. Another 6 times during 2 minutes. Pathy even went somewhere dumb to take a weird position on a full squad in a Rift building. He naturally got downed, knew he would. Luckily they didn't come out to fin him, so he could crawl back to cover where I could revive him.

    The ones who land on a no-name building in the middle of nowhere are almost worse than the hot-drop griefers at this point. 🤐

  • I see some constructive replies.

    That said, I like the idea of having a menu where you state your style of play.

    Rather I think Respawn matches good with bad, offensive with defensive or just randomizes it.

    This makes for a more boring and frustrating experience.

    If thats their goal I think this may have something to do with how they want to manipulate the matchmaking to have the player feel a progressive improvement from bad to better then suddenly you play insane matches and you feel great about yourself.

    So they manipulate the matchmaking to have this artificial progressive improvement.

    Thats one theory and the other theory is that they are just randomizing it and have no mechanics to group players other than the team option they added, which I dont think is working out too good, so the game calls for some mechanics to tidy up how players want to play and what kind of players they want to play with.

    The matchmaking is really not in my favor anymore. Is it because I dont spend a lot of money on the game?

    Spectating other teams and they are on a completely different level than my team. Its like years of experience between them. Makes me sick.



    CM Edit: Removed deleted post.

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @IngeniekeySpectating other teams and seeing a good performance probably means that you're watching a squad that is experienced, plays together a lot, and all share the same play style. If you can find like-minded players of roughly your skill level, then you might be on to something. I don't tend to like playing with people I know because skill levels are never the same, play styles are seldom the same, and I tend to try to do things to help them, things I wouldn't normally do, things that get me killed. I've always said my worst enemies are not my enemies - they're my teammates. Plus, I'm pretty sure that if you go into mm with a pre-made squad then you will definitely be facing a higher calibre of opponent.

    So I get what you're saying about matchmaking. It's a trainwreck. (Though I have to say that my experiences in 20 years of Halo were no different. I'm pretty sure these problems are just baked into the DNA of multiplayer games.) I guess what I'm curious to know is this: are you a player who is frustrated with the experience because it keeps you stuck with a 2% win rate, or are you that guy with a 15% win rate who is certain it would be 25% if not for horrible teammates? Because the first scenario really is tough and I sympathize. But if you're the guy from scenario #2 then I may just have to call the whambulance. You don't have to own to it either way, but it's what I'm wondering about.

  • CCbathwater's avatar
    CCbathwater
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    Yesterday was absolutely appalling. Spent 47 matches to get 1 win. 47! Teammates were... yes. People always say "it's harder to win now because people got better at the game". Okay, enemies might have but my teammates not so much. Then today sbmm apparently thought "dang, this Lifeline got a bit too much bad sbmm yesterday, let's make it easier on her today", and it turned into 7 wins in 22 games, which was absolutely nuts. Fix it?

  • Ingeniekey's avatar
    Ingeniekey
    3 years ago

    And when they punch you as Lifeline away from your bot while healing as well to deny you healing up, as if not being bad isnt enough, have to be toxic as well. This game has the most trash players all round ever.

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