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5 years ago
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Can someone explain sbmm to me? This doesn’t add up

So today I learned that sbmm has indeed been in since the beginning of the game, but the first iteration was everyone else together and then new players were sectioned off, and then at the end of season 2 they changed pubs to be matched like comp, but here’s where my problem arises...

why as a newer player am I playing with preds and masters in every pub lobby, and every comp lobby if there’s sbmm? Note: this isn’t my main.

am I being grouped by level? Cause that is a crap way to matchmake. I don’t understand why literally every game in pubs I am playing vs seasoned players when I am nowhere near them. If we don’t have the player base to support even comp games with plats being forced against predators then why do we have sbmm even outside of ranked?

like aceu said, why do we need sbmm in a game with a dedicated rank list, that plays exactly like the ranked playlist, all of the bronze people have bot lobbies and everyone else plays vs predator , make sense to anyone ?

  • There is a fairly widely experienced issue where it seems that the better you are as a player, the lower the skill of your teammates.

    According to what a multitude of players have been testing with smurf accounts, it seems that the entire focus of SBMM is not to create lobbies where all enemies and also your teammates are of comparable skill, but instead try to make it so that each squad, and their members are of what Respawn deems to be roughly comparable skill.

    In other words, 1 very good player is typically matched with 2 blazing dumpsters in order to have an averaged out skill level equal to a squad of 3 mediocre players.

    What this leads to is obvious. Very frustrated players.

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  • @boy_Hoodle I think its based on skill and a small sampling of your play. If I have a few 1500+ damage games I’m instantly in lobbies with 6+ pred trails coming out the drop ship.
  • boy_Hoodle's avatar
    boy_Hoodle
    5 years ago

    Still seems very unbalanced @DarthValtrex eirher you can’t aim at loot on the ground or you’re in a pred lobby, seems to me it just needs to be reverted 

  • @boy_Hoodle To build on Darth's point, I think the matchmaker favours getting you into a match as quick as possible over accurately SBMM-ing, which some will prefer and others won't. So there will be times when it has to cram you with better/worse players based on the amount/kind of people playing at a time.

    Plus I'm guessing that if you're put against plats/preds/etc, either you've been doing really well in your past games, or they've been doing very poorly in theirs, or a bit of both.

    Still, all we can do is speculate how it operates.
  • There is a fairly widely experienced issue where it seems that the better you are as a player, the lower the skill of your teammates.

    According to what a multitude of players have been testing with smurf accounts, it seems that the entire focus of SBMM is not to create lobbies where all enemies and also your teammates are of comparable skill, but instead try to make it so that each squad, and their members are of what Respawn deems to be roughly comparable skill.

    In other words, 1 very good player is typically matched with 2 blazing dumpsters in order to have an averaged out skill level equal to a squad of 3 mediocre players.

    What this leads to is obvious. Very frustrated players.

  • MandatoryIDtag's avatar
    MandatoryIDtag
    5 years ago

    Yup basically what @Wingmannedbro  said.

    So if you're new...you're probably being chucked into these lobbies to balance a more experienced players team.

  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    5 years ago
    @Wingmannedbro <— to follow up what this guy said, it also likely correlates with the level. Seemingly this plays a part too, but I don’t know the margin. If you look into your team’s comp and at the total lvl and (if the champ squad shows it) at champ squad you see a similar overall lvl.

    As such I sometimes get put with 2 lvl 40’s for example (I’m 220-240). This leads to combined 300-320. Then you see champ squad being same lvl even if composition is differently distributed. But this is just a gander because you can’t see the comp of enemies until they kill you of course.

    But it doesn’t work correctly cause most often you get... at least I get a diamond or pred who alone beats our whole level... and with his buddies leaves us in the dust.

    Before joining the ‘regular matchmaking’ as you’ve stated you get into low lvl matchmaking. This goes on till lvl 10, but can extend to lvl 20. From what I’ve tested that is.
  • same for me, almost lvl 500 with a 4k/20 on wraith, still not more than an average player tho, getting matched with players below level 50 constantly while im literally playing against 5-6 predators every single game. matchmaking feels just wrong.

  • @TXC_Rafael  I feel like we're just low key being bullied into forming premades by the sbmm system lol. Which is a bit of a juxta position really as you don't want to form teams with players who are nowhere near your skill level.

    Anybody with half decent stats get teamed with bullet fodder constantly whilst the premades win the matches.

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