Hello Dear EA/Respawn, I wanted to hit masters in Season 4 but massive amount of cheaters made me stop playing ranked.There are couple of cheaters in Apex which makes the game unplayable and takes all the fun while playing it. Especially when you play in higher ranks. So I was thinking about a viable way to reduce the chance of cheating attempts in the game and came up with the idea of implementing a forced 2FA-Authorization in higher ranks (for example beginning from Diamond). So every player should link his phone number to his account in order to play at higher ranks. I think this will stop cheaters from trying and even if they do, they have something to loose at least. Their phone number and the money they paid for it. What do you think?

@DoIlarTreeAceuthe vast amount of cheaters can't be identified because they use "soft" cheats which are not that easy to detect. They don't hit head shots only and will not fully control recoil to be less detectable. My * friend took predator without been detected using such cheats(and his true rank is gold).. ive reported him with attached video, but a lot of time passed and he is not banned yet.

@DaAceXD Mate, literally all you seem to do is look for cheater posts to try and condemn those calling for action, and telling everyone to get better at the game. You only ever seem to pipe up when people bring up cheating.I've now decided based on the only plausible explanation and overwhelming logic here, that you use soft mods and cheat yourself.

DaAceXD, you are starting to get suspicious.Apex Legends have a huge cheaters problem, and soft cheating problems, yet you are making thread for exactly the opposite and explaining how the game is clean and people are just bad and blame people who are not using any sort of cheats, yet you don`t have any proof to suggest that.I don`t see a reason to making a thread and then continue defend your case in another thread ....Just because you don`t wanna see the problem or its a part of a problem, doesn`t mean there is no problem.Soft cheats exist and Apex is filled with them.This is not CS:GO with low TTK and anyone to kill you and to put it on luck or anything. Apex Legends actually require the greatest amount of skill and the game is pretty hard to learn and to get really good at it.its not easy to track opponent and land most of your shots, to move hard and keep your recoil in check at greater distances.Yet somehow players with new accounts that recently started, move and loot terrible, yet are beaming you like Pros from any distance.While on close range, anything can happen and they can mastiff you, but to beam you like PRO from a medium or long distance and barely miss a shot, yeah come on.Every new cheat(check youtube) have soft version to put on the settings and to not be blatantly obvious, and to make you think is this guy cheating or not ?I won`t even talk about single firerate and recoil macros/scripts, because probably more than 50% of the player base atm is using them.Streamers are not even hiding their G-Hub software and stay open with their macro stuffs.Let me give a concrete stuffs for example:Few days ago was watching Hal stream and before a tournament usually Pros go and play Pubs for high kill to warm up good or just for a chill. He didn`t said it in the straight context, but it was what he thinking, that somehow, suddenly public lobby(aka normal trios) players suddenly develop high skill and lasers :D And suddenly they are almost not missing a shots and pub are way harder now ....He played for like an hour and couldn`t get an out of Fragment. :D Didn`t even won a single game.Yeah suddenly low level and tier players are somehow god aimers from any distances and can use all the current weapons in game with a god aim. ;DAs far as for OP solution, it won`t work. A real solution is a TOP anti-cheating program, that detect the cheat the moment the game client is started and ban the player straight away. Same for the macro/scripts.Anything that interfere with the game should be considered cheating and players should be banned straight away.Until then, soon will be like CS:GO without prime(not that the Prime is not filled with cheaters tho). You are going on DM for example with 10 players, and 9 out of 10 are cheaters. :D

@DarthValtrex @littlxr I love that we are talking of him like he is not here. He really should be ignored at this point. I know people ignore me when talking of my beloved netcode issues! :P

@littlxr wrote:@LordloshBangIt's pointless trying to get him to understand, he just can't accept that the game is filled to the brim with cheaters, and is even more reluctant to accept that streamers and pros do it.Oh, and he's never played on console but claims cheating barely happens there too, and is constantly demanding proof instead, like we - normal gamers - are able to conjure actual statistical figures to support our case when it's not our job.Don't get roped into it. He loves gaslighting and ignoring basic logic and reasoning, despite never having played on console to see what I see. I think he legitimately gets turned on by it all, and I hate myself for allowing myself to be his sick little fantasy for as long as I have.Yeah i actually got to stop writing too, cause this is purely waste of time and eating my game time. :DI agree with what you say.I strictly said i`m talking about PC, because i don`t play on console and don`t know what the situation is in there. And i also do not watch console players. But i believe people that said the situation is bad in there as well, because i know how bad the situation on PC is.I was a CS player, and there is tons of cheaters in there. And the situation is kinda the same. They are just refusing to accept the true and refusing to do anything.A lot of top pro players are using aim locks and its obvious as hellActually this was one of the main reason to quit CS, and the low TTK which i wasn`t happy with.Apex has great mechanics, and very good TTK and i love almost everything about this game, but cheaters are just ruining the fun out of this game.

Countermeasurement to avoid cheating in first place

59 Replies

DaAceXD
6 years ago
I believe phone numbers are reused after a peron disables the number.
djentyman
6 years ago
@DoIlarTreeAceuthe vast amount of cheaters can't be identified because they use "soft" cheats which are not that easy to detect. They don't hit head shots only and will not fully control recoil to be less detectable. My * friend took predator without been detected using such cheats(and his true rank is gold).. ive reported him with attached video, but a lot of time passed and he is not banned yet.
DaAceXD
6 years ago
@djentyman wrote:
@DoIlarTreeAceuthe vast amount of cheaters can't be identified because they use "soft" cheats which are not that easy to detect. They don't hit head shots only and will not fully control recoil to be less detectable.
If you can't detect the cheats.
You don't know how many people cheat.
When you get killed then don't asume they cheat.
Makes your online game time a lot more fun.
Unless your bad at the game, Keep blaming cheats to make yourself feel better. That is what most people do.
djentyman
6 years ago
@DaAceXD even if you are bad at the game, even if you die in 99% cases because you are not good and not because somebody cheats, it does not change the fact, that there are a lot of cheaters exist that use smart cheats and anti cheat system can't detect them. And even if you know that person is 100% cheater, because you have seen it with your own eyes, the soft on his pc, how it works, how to configure it, it does not make any sense. Because as i said, i've reported my friend with attached video and he is not banned. How can you have great game time knowing that? The only way i see, is to switch back to ps4.
Daze623
6 years ago
@DoIlarTreeAceu iirc there are a lot of sites online now that provide fake phonenumbers that can receive messages.
DaAceXD
6 years ago
@djentyman I win a lot of games.

And i lose even more knowing i could have done better.

I rarely lose because i feel like someone cheated and i din't stand a chance there.
djentyman
6 years ago
@DaAceXD yeah, i agree with you on 100%. You definitely shouldn't consider every death as a "killed by a cheater". But sometimes you die in very weird cases. And when you start observing player, the more weird things happen. And sometimes it is only 2 option you can suggest: it was a smurf account of pro player, who has lvl 30 account and diamond+ rank or it was a cheater)
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
6 years ago
The general idea is good in the sense that it would probably help reduce cheating. How ever implementing such an idea is the hard part. Phone numbers can be spoofed. Phone numbers are also recycled. So you would run into the issue of people having their personal numbers spoofed and banned for no reason.

If they wanted a reliable system like what you suggest I suppose it could be done. How ever doing so would be difficult and expensive. The labor involved with verifying accounts/people would be huge. They would need someone to manually review every application and approve or deny it. That's a TON of labor to pay for especially for a game that many play for free (or close to it). It also would turn a lot of casual gamers away from the game. Doing something like what you suggest would probably require copies of Government ID and other things to verify identity. That will turn a ton of gamers away, including kids.

Personally I don't like handing out personal information. If a gaming company was asking for that kind information up front just so I could play. I probably would just find a different game.

EA and the gaming community (us) would be better served if they just continue to work on their anticheat system and an AI system that reliably deals with cheating. It's just cheaper, more effective and less confrontational with the consumer.
littlxr
6 years ago
@DaAceXD Mate, literally all you seem to do is look for cheater posts to try and condemn those calling for action, and telling everyone to get better at the game. You only ever seem to pipe up when people bring up cheating.

I've now decided based on the only plausible explanation and overwhelming logic here, that you use soft mods and cheat yourself.
TommiSpageti
6 years ago
the last 1-2 weeks of every season is basically unplayable at diamond 1/2 and master. simply because about 60 percent of the games have a known cheater.
they should implement at least 2-3 of classic way to discourage cheaters.
- Phone number
- credit card
- diamond 1-2 should be able to play only with diamonds in ranked (in team)