XBOX and PlayStation are being over run with cronus-zens. Why hasn't anything been done to stop it from ruining everyone's game yet? On top of the usual game issues such as, Getting shot through doors and walls. Players playing on 250ping to gain and advantage and the usual game update and then 10 bugs and game crashing problems. The cronus-zen has become the one thing I hate the most about the game, Players are abusing Scripts and if the game is barely playable as it is and most players I know have quit playing, Then the scripts are going to keep getting better and better and apex is going to fall off and cheaters an Boosters will own Apex Legends in no time. I love playing Apex I have 3 heirlooms but why would I continue to play a game that doesn't care about a player like me and my opinion on whats most important to start to change the game for the better of everyone. Ranked right now in the UK on London Servers, Is completely unplayable and sure they changed map, The first thing I heard is that Preds and bronze are fighting each other. So that was it for me. I am officially quitting playing apex until you get a solid anti cheat for console players. Or fix the issues with being shot through solid objects or high ping abusing players. Good bye and thanks for the memories...I guess.

Hey folks, This thread is getting pretty derailed and into some pretty off-topic hypotheticals that really aren't necessary. Something like Discord is perfectly fine to use as an alternative to in-game chat, for example. Locking it down here as this really is not a productive thread.

Why even care if there is specific rule against it, bottom line is they don’t do anything to fight it so who cares

@GmAnZ1000 Strikepacks are cheaper and available everywhere. They need our attention

@GmAnZ1000 Because EA doesn't care about cheaters, same problem on BF2042 You can always tell who is using it, they nail you with every shot from across the map. Besides if you Read EA's ToS and other anti-cheat literature they limit their language to 3rd party software cheating, the Cronus-zen and other Console Tuners are 3rd party Hardware based cheats, so unless EA makes some changes they technically are legal

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DankToliet
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@GmAnZ1000 Strikepacks are cheaper and available everywhere. They need our attention
CCbathwater
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Git good, cheater kids.
Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5
2 years ago
@GmAnZ1000 Because EA doesn't care about cheaters, same problem on BF2042 You can always tell who is using it, they nail you with every shot from across the map. Besides if you Read EA's ToS and other anti-cheat literature they limit their language to 3rd party software cheating, the Cronus-zen and other Console Tuners are 3rd party Hardware based cheats, so unless EA makes some changes they technically are legal
E9ine_AC
Hero+
2 years ago
@Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5 The ToS is quite clear with these things.

Using software or 3rd party devices to gain an unfair advantage over others.

They are indeed 3rd party devices. The big problem with those in my opinion is proving someone is using one. While a few games claim to detect them they also throw off false positives. So its not a perfected system for me to count it as a success. I amsure in the future things like that will be easier to detect for all companies as AI gets improved on.

Overall though all those are 3rd party devices being used to gain an unfair advantage over others.
Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5
2 years ago
This is directly from the EA ToS
Use or distribute unauthorized software programs or tools (such as "auto", "macro", hack or cheat software), or use exploits, bugs or problems in an EA Service to gain unfair advantage.
An Unauthorized Third-Party Program is a third-party program or file (such as a "add-on", "mod", "hack", "trainer", or "cheat") that EA believes (i) enables or facilitates cheating of any type; (ii) allows users to modify or hack the game interface, environment, and/or experience in any way not expressly authorized by EA; or (iii) intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the game.
Until EA changes the wording in the ToS they are "Technically" not banned as they are Hardware not software based, but I agree they do violate the nature of it, but when it comes down to splitting hairs EA chose its wording poorly and went with the very specific term of "software" not Hardware or Devices.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
2 years ago
@Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5

"Until EA changes the wording in the ToS they are "Technically" not banned as they are Hardware not software based, but I agree they do violate the nature of it, but when it comes down to splitting hairs EA chose its wording poorly and went with the very specific term of "software" not Hardware or Devices."

Uh you are wrong about that, the device your are talking about has it's own software and if one is using the device they are using the 3rd party software.

So just to be clear that does fall under the ToS and would be a violation of that. There is no loophole.
DeepBeats
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago
@Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5As @Asmodeus566 said even if these products are hardware that you have to physically install, it has a software that runs the cheats that people use and thats a 3rd party software.

I see a lot of misunderstanding in people's posts regarding this, thinking that couse its not a PC/Console program its not software based. Every piece of hardware that you connect to a game device needs its own software to run.
Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5
2 years ago
@Asmodeus566 @DeepBeats So my point is that with the broad terms EA has used, things like 3rd party voice chat could be considered a cheat program being that you can gain an unfair advantage over players by being in a voice chat and someone spectating/statpadding/cheating. IE there is legitimate use like there is with the Cronus and Titan for controllers on consoles and there is nefarious use which most of the consoles running this are doing. However the rules don't make a distinction other than to say it is at the whim of what EA Believes not even what they can prove. So according to what I am hearing from you all is that if there is a possible nefarious use it's banned because its a 3rd party software. So when are people going to start getting banned for using Discord and Team-speak over the EA approved and provided in-game voice chat?
I do understand that for any hardware to work it needs software to send it commands. My point to this is that just like Discord can be run on a separate device such as your cell phone, does this now mean EA has permission to ban me or scan my cell phone? No, they prolly don't even know when someone is cheating/statpadding whatever that way. So too is the Titan and Cronus the software they use cant be scanned by EA cause they only have permission to check for Software running not Hardware devices on our systems and EA only checks to see if you are running cheat programs such as dll hookers/modded files. These devices are entirely separate and run no program except what is internal to their Hardware. My whole point to this is EA has to scan for a HARDWARE ID not software to ban these devices and the Terms of Service only covers 3rd party software not hardware.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
2 years ago
@Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5 I will try to clear some things up here.

Using any device that can alter in game mechanics is bannable. Trying to bypass things is bannable. Trying to remove the mechanic of recoil control is bannable as it automates that mouses movement to ensure it can be hitting in a straight line.

Another one

Use or distribute unauthorized software programs or tools (such as "auto", "macro", hack or cheat software), or use exploits, bugs or problems in an EA Service to gain unfair advantage.

A lot of those devices do live time edits which is against the rules as well to edit files that are not supposed to be edited. There is quite a few rules these devices would fall under.
matzesingt
2 years ago
Why even care if there is specific rule against it, bottom line is they don’t do anything to fight it so who cares