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TXC_Rafael's avatar
6 years ago
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How does the SBMM actually work?

hello everyone,

how does the SBMM actually work? I'm around level 460 with 4k Kills on wraith, a 20 kill badge and a 4k damage badge but my winrate is only like 4%. There's literally at least 5-6 predator dive trails in every pub that I play while I'm mostly getting teammates below level 50 that are super new to the game. Chances to get  high ranked teammates or someone with more than 1k kills on his character are as low as getting a heirloom for me lol. I really can't believe fresh players getting into the same lobbies as me is "skillbased" matchmaking so how does it actually work? Kills, KDR, Winrate?? or is the player base just so small that the matchmaking is completly random in the end? It really doesn't feel "skillbased".

Hope you all understand, I'm not a native english speaker.

thank you

  • @TXC_Rafael

    I am NOT a dev. But I do have plenty of time played on the game and have played over many accounts of varying stats. My main account has 26,000 kills on Pathfinder. I have made other accounts where I specifically perform poorly to see what kind of lobbies SBMM puts me in. So here are my observations:

    -If you load into a lobby solo, the SBMM algorithm will try to build BALANCED teams, to the best of it’s ability. On my main account, that means my two teammates are often far less skilled and experienced than me. On my “intentionally bad” accounts, that means that I am often paired with one player who is pretty decent at the game.

    -If you load into a match with your friends, the SBMM algorithm tends to put you against other players who have partied up with their friends. This is a good thing, because premade squads should probably be playing against other premade squads. Unfortunately there is a serious issue with this too. I have plenty of friends I enjoy playing with who aren’t as skilled or experienced as myself. So when I party up with them and we jump into a game, the SBMM algorithm places us in premade lobbies based on MY skill level and stats (if I’m using my main account). This means my friends get absolutely melted each and every gunfight. They now hate playing with me. I sort of find this unacceptable. A game should NEVER discourage others from playing with their friends.

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  • TXC_Rafael's avatar
    TXC_Rafael
    6 years ago

    @Aegis_Kleais it's fine if my teammates aren't as good as me, I don't play to win I just want kills and good plays BUT for real dude, my teammates are around level 50 90% of the time, means they are completly new to the game so how are they supposed to face predators if I already struggle against them? Doesn't seem very beginner friendly to me and I can't imagine it's fun for them getting deleted by 2 PK shots before they could even pull out their gun lol.

    Matchmaking right now just feels wrong.

  • TheOtherWes's avatar
    TheOtherWes
    4 years ago
    @Axs5626Sxa5001 I have had very similar experiences. I dont have 26000 kills on my main, but I am an average gamer and decent FPS player. One of my best friends is new to gaming and has recently started playing pvp and Apex is their first taste of a past paced FPS. when they play by themselves they have a great time and put up good numbers (damage, assists, kills, etc). But as soon as we try to play together they drop from approx. 750 damage a game to less than 100 and dying to every encounter.

    I had to make a new account (where I also intentionally played like a bot) to be able to queue into lobbies where they could actually have fun. But by the time my account had reached about lvl 24 we were instantly in lobbies with lvl 500 plats and diamonds... It would be nice if there were more of an inbetween. It feels like SBMM allows you about 2 or 3 games where the skill level is pretty balanced. But as soon as you have a few good fights its, "off to the preds with you!" and makes playing with my friend very unenjoyable, for both of us. A lot of getting them getting melted and feeling bad for being a sandbag, and a decent amount of frustration on my part from a lack of squad support. It really does feel like they're punishing you for playing with your friends, which IMO is what makes Apex so much fun.