Low profile nerf is too much
Low profile legends now take way too much damage making them frustrating to play, I don't even know how to respond to this RIDONKULUS change. Buff weak legends (octane, mirage, crypto) instead of ba...
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You don`t get it do you? Now Gibby may win, because Wraith also took a lot of ners, not just because Gibby was buffed ....
But Wraith took a lot of ners, yet legends like Bloodhound was buffed, Revenant as well, and they are yet breathing her dust. Not even going to mention Octane and Mirage.
You are not going to achieve anything, other than a total mess if you are letting broken/op characters running around. No matter how you try to buff the other legends.
And yet mostly Path and Wraith player are complaining hard about Gibby, tho he was a bottom character for so long.
You said buff weak legends, and then complain where they are buffed. High level hypocrisy in there.
MandatoryIDtag, nqh man he straight up said that buffing low legends will make top legends weaker. Go read his post again. ;D
And again they didn`t just buff Gibby right? They also nerf Wraith and other LP legends, right ?
You see now how its work, by tuning down the OP/broken one and by balancing the other to the level they should be.
You can achieve a perfect balance with just buffing legends, the only thing you will achieve is a either a broken mechanics, which someone is abusing or abilities that is just too OP.
And pls go on and show me a 1 insult against any member here. I dare you, go on.
@LordloshBang 1. I never complained about weak legends being buffed, don't strawman me. 2. You can lower top legend's winrate by buffing weak ones and that's a fact, and i used gibby/ wraith as an EXAMPLE i could have used octane instead of wraith for it to be 100% correct. 3. Legends being top tier doesn't automatically make them broken/op. 4. I only see you complaining about pathfinder and his grapple even tho he is not the most played legend at a pro level.
@LordloshBang I did read his post bud and my comprehension of it was perfect, i understand the point he's making.
You are correct that nerfs attributed to the gap between the two legends used an example also, however that was not solely due to said nerfs. Season 1 gibby would be slaughtered by season 4 wraith in every scenario, Balancing works both ways.
As for daring me to point out the posts in which you've insulted people, i don't need to. You posted these insults on a public forum and unless you've edited them out, they're there for everybody to see lol.
Im not sure it was from you or from someone else, but in this or in the other topic, there was a people saing they are losing 1v1 fight against Gibby and he need to be nerfed, as his healing and his gun shield. And this come from Wraith players.
And you still don`t get it. I`m not saing they did not buff Gibby and thats give him a edge, i`m saying they need to done a lot of nerfs to the Wraith as well. I never said Legends being top tier makes them broken/OP i said Wraith was broken at one point, and then OP and i clearly stated that she is strong now, but fair, which means she in a good spot. I`m not saying she is broken or OP now. She was once, but not anymore. When you have such legends, best way to fix the things is to tune her down.
You have to also understand, that Respawn probably have their view of legends power and how much they want to effect the overall gameplay, and the rest to be loot/skills.
So by just buffing certain legends, and not touching the ones that are over the top not always going to work.
As i mention the example with MK10, tho is a completely different game, it has similarity, because of the characters and that it also have tier list, different hitboxes and etc.
The way they approach MK11 is with nerfing over the hill characters, and slightly buff the lower ones, and this is the most balanced MK game ever.
So my point will always stand. I see this in MK10 and i know when you are just trying to buff, you are losing the line and you will end up in a mess.
And yeah i know people don`t like to see nerfs to the their characters, but its the way balance is achieved. I can you more example with POE, which have one of the best DEVS, that are listen to their community and care for their game so much, they still constantly nerfing things around, aka characters/weapons and so on.
You may not like this method, but its used by the Devs and there is obviously a reason for it.
So lets agree to disagree.
MandatoryIDtag, if you said i insulted someone, you should show what and where the insult was? And you said it was multiple times. And i`m pretty sure in myself that i haven`t that.
And for the other point, let see what he said, because its maybe too hard for you ?
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@Abyssloli wrote:
@AOD_Rct_lordloshIf you buff weak legends, it makes top tier legends worse, you know that right?- Well... This thread got interesting to say the least. Let us see what the two sides of the argument are:
@LordloshBang is for heavily nerfing the strong legends, and slightly buffing the weaker ones, while @Abyssloli is for heavily buffing weak legends, and slightly nerfing stronger ones. Am I correct on this? I'm going to assume I am.
My stance is - Why not both? Why not make aggressive balance changes and force meta shifts every month or so? Heavily nerf Wraith, Wattson, Pathfinder and Gibby, while heavily buffing Mirage, Octane, Crypto and Bloodhound? Then once they have been meta for a bit, then nerf them heavily, and buff four new legends? Thus, the circle of life continues.
The only problem with that would be that people wouldn't like it when their characters get nerfed heavily. But I think that either monthly/two month meta changes would make people think that their legend might get buffed soon. Then every legend has meta spotlight time. @CrazyPlays54 This is what i've been trying to say for far too long now lmao.
BALANCE.
Although maybe not on a monthly basis...that would be too much to keep track of. 😛
There's always going to be a meta, nobody is disputing that, and no it doesn't need to be set in stone eternally.
But on the flip side there shouldnt be such a clear difference in usefulness between legends. As we have with the likes of mirage and octane in comparison to the usual 4.
Each legend should be a viable choice in their own right.
I don't think they will nerf path and wraith any further cuz these two legends are the reason why apex is so fast paced.
CrazyPlays54, nqh as far as i understand Abnyssloli is not put a nerf at all, just straight up buff.
You understand my point. And yeah i`m okay with a meta change, but lets said from a season to season.
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