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4 years ago

News: Rank Demotion Is Not Happening

Before the actual developer response about the issue, a short context why he needed to even address it. ImperialHal said in a recent twitter thread that he feels that Rank Demotion should be placed...

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hayhor

Hero

4 years ago

@Cheese9Man Ah another instance of the top whiner in the game. The top preds only complain about stuck masters when they die to them. I guarentee they gain more from them than they lose too. Without masters and diamonds in the pred lobbies they wouldn't even find a match.

Demotion wouldn't fix anything. If a guy gets to a level, then they lose the next game and get demoted, they can do well in the next to get back. You'd just get people yoyoing between levels. Some would stop at the level to ensure they dont go backwards. Then you lose players playing ranked. And at the top level, whether they are diamond or masters, it doesn't matter because they'd still be in pred lobbies.

Cro_Pittt
4 years ago
@hayhor Demotion actually would help since you get players carried in higher tiers (sometimes they even pay for it) when they simply are not on that level. Plat IV is full of those people, some of them would have to really start playing better in order to get back to it. Of course it'd not fix the issue permanently but at least it'd help with it partially.
I wouldn't apply it to Master though since queue times would dramatically rise.
- KelRiever
  4 years ago
  @Cro_Pittt Once you get to Plat, I believe, you can't team up with someone more than one rank below you. Therefore, if you get carried as you say, you're really only within 1 category, and it means you had to team up with someone who could handle their weight and yours.
  I don't really see that as a problem. First, it's just a badge, it only means something to an individual to have a certain rank, and second, it's a lot of work to get there, relying on someone else. Sort of good luck with that is what I'd tell these people, and it's not super amazing to tag a rank. Rank decline would NOT prevent that, as it'd just be a matter of not playing that rank again for the carried player.
  You're battling with Respawn who wants more players playing their game no matter what. It's not going to help them to have players drop ranked is what they are saying clearly, so you'd seriously have to come at the argument and explain how the ranked player base would grow if you had rank loss. And I think what the dev is saying here is, also, good luck with that.
  I wouldn't care myself, again. But I could tell you it's easy to imagine stopping playing after a player achieved rank, rather than trying to go further. It'd be just too frustrating.
  - r1ggedgame
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @KelRieveryou can carry only to a certain extend, i dont think you can carry a real silver to master, but to plat should not be a huge problem.
    Rats are more of an issue, i guess you can rat yourself to at least diamond without doing any dmg/kills.
    I guess its even possible to reach Plat by only idling (not playing at all, just queuing) in games until your mates die and you get those round points.
- hayhor
  Hero
  4 years ago
  @Cro_Pittt I don't see how demotion would help. If demotion existed this would still happen. The only difference is these players would quit playing. We know thats the complete opposite of engagement.
  
  Players who get carried now become fodder for better players. Many will say yeah but they are my teammates and ruin my game but I can guarantee you probably kill more of them than you have for teammates. Things tend to even out.