I saw that Pathy's passive was a question in one of the recent AMA's, and didn't see a post on here, so I figured I would share what I just read. Someone asked the devs if they have come up with a new passive for Pathfinder yet, and Lead Game Designer Eric Canavese replied with:"We're very aware of this perception of Pathfinder, and we've heard numerous suggestions of new Passives from the team and the community.We are looking at it, but we don't want to slap a new passive on a Legend who is already well-liked, powerful and performing well at the risk of adding to his already potent combat power or shifting development time that is needed to service other Legends or meta concerns, when there's no immediate need. But I'm hopeful the future is friendly in upcoming seasons." Slightly disappointing as a Pathy main, but I'll still stick with my robo-buddy, regardless. Seems there is still hope, but nothing coming soon. I'm genuinely hoping they simply give him the ability to use healing items on ziplines, but who knows

@dSKyNafinchin I would agree to their statement that by adding another passive to Pathy would make him too strong if we were still in maybe season 8. We’re now in a state where legends like Valk and Seer can do so much more.I’ve watched a youtube video analyzing hero based games that these games tend to add legends/champions/heroes later down the road that do so much because new players would have to grind for months or even years to have all the characters.

@reconzero Having an in game item for only one legend was a problem, that’s why they gave it to everyone. They should have just given him the ability to see the next ring every ring.

@reconzero The real reason they changed it so all recon legends could use it was to shake up the ALGS meta. Until they did that every team was forced to run path to scan a beacon.

To say - "We're very aware of this perception of Pathfinder." .... feels like an insult for starters. Like we're not smart enough to see what is directly in front of our eyes. It is anything but a perception at this point. As cheese said, looking at many other legends, especially some of the newer ones with multiple tacs and passives and over powered abilities - to even suggest that paths lack of a passive ability is a "perception" shows the mentality behind this team lead. Which now, makes much more sense why Apex has as many unsolved, unaddressed and unanswered issues and questions still at large. I guess that's my perception ; )He also says - "when there is no immediate need." No immediate need - for who? With the small chance he even plays this game, I'm going to go out on a ledge here and predict if he even does, Path most likely isn't his main. Does he think, because his pick rate is still good, a passive ability is not needed for Path? I know countless players that love path and absolutely hate the fact that he has NO passive ability, and feel screwed as well as they are always missing an ability when in combat against others with more - Yet they continue to use him, more out of love for him and loyalty. But not in any way does this suggest that there is no need for it to be addressed (anytime soon), or that his pick rate suggest he needs no fix. And if pathy already has "potent combat power" in your opinion - I'm curious to know what your thoughts on Valk, Seer, Vantage and others, and where their abilities sit on the potent scale? The Legend has basically no passive. What about that does Eric not understand? Considering some legends have multiple built in abilities for their passive. Why do any of us have to explain this in the first place? And what does he mean "I'm hopeful the future is friendly...." - is he suggesting he hopes one day Pathfinder will get a passive ability in the future as Apex Legend's lead game designer? His statement alone suggest that a friendly future would consist of pathfinder receiving a passive. One day, when its deemed needed, I guess?

@dSKyNafinchinHonestly, just take his passive away from all the other legends who got it. That was the biggest insult of all.And yes, I too will be Pathfinder until the end of time. Or the game. Whichever comes first. No matter how much disrespect he gets.

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12 Replies

reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@dSKyNafinchin

Honestly, just take his passive away from all the other legends who got it. That was the biggest insult of all.

And yes, I too will be Pathfinder until the end of time. Or the game. Whichever comes first. No matter how much disrespect he gets.
BigMacAttack8u
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero Having an in game item for only one legend was a problem, that’s why they gave it to everyone. They should have just given him the ability to see the next ring every ring.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@BigMacAttack8u

"Having an in game item for only one legend was a problem..."

In what way, and is this direct from Respawn?
BigMacAttack8u
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero No, it’s just common sense that adding a random item only one legend can use disrupts gameplay, and makes it seem a bit weird. Having items all over the map for only one character is sloppy desighn, so they had to choose one of three paths, expand it to many legends, give pathy a similar passive to keep the core mechanic, without the random objects, or remove the idea entirely. Having an in game item for one legend out of some 20 legends makes gameplay clunky and bad.
swift07
3 years ago
@dSKyNafinchinthat's similar to what I have said. His kit overall is good. If you add something, then you might have to remove or nerf something else in order to keep it balanced.
pandareno1999
Hero+
3 years ago
Just about three years ago today.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@reconzero The real reason they changed it so all recon legends could use it was to shake up the ALGS meta. Until they did that every team was forced to run path to scan a beacon.
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
@dSKyNafinchin I would agree to their statement that by adding another passive to Pathy would make him too strong if we were still in maybe season 8. We’re now in a state where legends like Valk and Seer can do so much more.

I’ve watched a youtube video analyzing hero based games that these games tend to add legends/champions/heroes later down the road that do so much because new players would have to grind for months or even years to have all the characters.
NickBeam27
3 years ago
To say - "We're very aware of this perception of Pathfinder." .... feels like an insult for starters. Like we're not smart enough to see what is directly in front of our eyes. It is anything but a perception at this point. As cheese said, looking at many other legends, especially some of the newer ones with multiple tacs and passives and over powered abilities - to even suggest that paths lack of a passive ability is a "perception" shows the mentality behind this team lead. Which now, makes much more sense why Apex has as many unsolved, unaddressed and unanswered issues and questions still at large. I guess that's my perception ; )
He also says - "when there is no immediate need."
No immediate need - for who? With the small chance he even plays this game, I'm going to go out on a ledge here and predict if he even does, Path most likely isn't his main.
Does he think, because his pick rate is still good, a passive ability is not needed for Path? I know countless players that love path and absolutely hate the fact that he has NO passive ability, and feel screwed as well as they are always missing an ability when in combat against others with more - Yet they continue to use him, more out of love for him and loyalty. But not in any way does this suggest that there is no need for it to be addressed (anytime soon), or that his pick rate suggest he needs no fix.
And if pathy already has "potent combat power" in your opinion - I'm curious to know what your thoughts on Valk, Seer, Vantage and others, and where their abilities sit on the potent scale?
The Legend has basically no passive. What about that does Eric not understand? Considering some legends have multiple built in abilities for their passive. Why do any of us have to explain this in the first place? And what does he mean "I'm hopeful the future is friendly...." - is he suggesting he hopes one day Pathfinder will get a passive ability in the future as Apex Legend's lead game designer? His statement alone suggest that a friendly future would consist of pathfinder receiving a passive. One day, when its deemed needed, I guess?
dSKyNafinchin
Hero
3 years ago
I kinda get where they're coming from, but I'm not looking for an additional passive, personally. I'd like to see the recon beacon scan removed, and replaced with the healing on zips ability. For me, it's definitely not a deal-breaker. I just feel like Pathy has been a bit left behind, with some of the newer Legend's abilities and passives. I thought Pathy's was pretty strong back before the direct and indirect nerfs (grapple CD and all recons getting to scan), but now I just use him because he's still my favorite. Plus, with him being the king of the zips, it makes sense for him to have some sort of perk that ties into that, like being able to heal on them, Lol
That being said, I do like that my ult gets a full recharge when I hit a beacon, to an extent. It ties into his zipline dealio, but it's extremely situational. It has come in handy a few times, but it is extremely few and far between, for me.
My biggest surprise with beacons, is that I have yet, to this day, to get sniped in the dome and knocked while attempting to use one. I figured it would have happened a long time ago *knocks on wood*