Re: “Anti-recoil controllers are NOT cheating.”

@DarthValtrex What I find interesting is your definition of a strike pack. In one of your first replies to this thread, you said:

The strike parks are just paddles on the bottom of the controller that turn a standard controller into an elite controller.

You are referring to controllers and attachments that have paddles as strike packs, simply because they have paddles. I don't think that's a common definition at all. By my definition, and by the definition of anyone I've ever spoken to before, a strike pack is an attachment or controller that contains illegal mods (such as recoil control and rapid fire), the fact they usually also have paddles is almost coincidental. Interested by this discrepancy between our definitions of strike packs, I googled it - and sure enough, every product I found on the first page of results that used the term "strike pack" in its title or marketing contained illegal mods - sure they also all had paddles, but as I said, the paddles are just paddles, its the illegal mods thats making them "strike packs". That's my understanding, and what I believe the understanding of most people I've ever spoken to about strike packs has been, anyway. 

However, beyond our differing definitions of what a strike pack is, I agree entirely with your position on what is and isn't cheating. 

Paddles are not illegal. A lot of pro controller players use paddles. If they were illegal, a lot of pros would be in a lot of trouble and we'd all know about it. Paddles don't *do* anything for you, they just give you a different way to do things. I believe any mod that does something for you, (such as fire at the exact maximum fire rate of a weapon, or fire a weapon with perfect recoil control) is illegal. As you say, paddles are just extra buttons, rapid fire and recoil control mods use software to automatically do something that is supposed to be extremely difficult for a human to do and is therefore supposed to require extreme skill.

@GH0STEDbyME - I understand what you're saying, many people believe that paddles give players an advantage, but, as you and Darth say, it is not cheating.

I would agree to a very small extent that paddles provide an advantage. When gripping a controller without paddles the intended way, users would normally have to remove their thumb from the right thumb stick to press the buttons - with paddles, the user does not have to. Additionally, with the intended grip without paddles, you'd use the same thumb for all of the buttons, requiring quick movement to switch between buttons, with paddles, you can (although many don't) use different fingers. But at the end of the day, being able to look around while jumping or sliding more easily makes a minuscule amount of difference to my ability to play the game - compared to good game sense, good aim and good awareness, the ability to look around a little bit more easily while jumping or crouching is barely worthy of being a footnote. And crouch spamming is a little easier to do, but aiming while crouch spamming is very difficult, so I make myself harder to hit by crouch spamming, but I also make it harder for me to aim, so its a trade off, not a magic trick that suddenly wins fights.

Personally, I see paddles to be an evolution of the controller. Look back at controllers of the past - they were all kinds of funny shapes and sizes for many years before the current shape and layout became the norm - each design learning from previous designs and (hopefully) improving upon it - why should we stop now? I'd love for paddles to become standard in the future - already we're seeing much more affordable options being made (Sony's 4 back button attachment is less than £30, Power A's Fusion Pro controller is £60).

Yes, I 100% agree. That's what I said. All I disagreed with you about was your definition of a strike pack. My understanding is that "strike pack" is the term used for an attachment that contains illegal mods. So, if it's just paddles, which are not illegal, it's not called a strike pack.

I 100% agree, paddles are absolutely not cheating. I also use an Elite controller.

for all:

CHEATERS AND CHEAT NOT EXISTS...

for EA and RESPAWN important is credit card transiction rest is nothing....when you receive 160 damage or 5 hedashots in line many respond me "you are nooooooooob" another are pro....

Anyone caught using Strike packs / Xim / Cronus will have action taken against them. It is easy to see who uses them. All it takes is 1 video of you using it and Hideouts is going to come down full force ban hammer for using 3rd party applications to gain a unfair advantage over others. 

These are not my words. These are the words of Hideouts. 

@VdstrkThe TOS states no name shaming on the forums. These users are not being accused but the clear aimbot users. Other reports will have someone checked into. As for the TOS though this only applies to certain things such as these forums. When a live ban is done then its clear indication the person was cheating and was banned. What happens in PM across parties does not apply the TOS rules as its not on a public platform.

@E9ine_AC

Not to be argumentative, then why EA does not send an email saying a player you reported has been banned with player name on it, if it does not impact ToS?

And that supports my point, if you are a friend with Hideouts, then you have privileged information the average player would never receive?

Also, wouldn't ToS apply to all EA/Respawn team members equally? Say I contact EA asking for the results of a cheat report I submitted, would they tell me anything? I suppose not.

But, iiuc, if you are friends with that dev, or a streamer somehow close to him, then you get to know the results of a cheat report?

@E9ine_ACSry man but anyone with more than 5 braincells can setup a macro etc that looks somewhat realistic, you can take 7000 hours of gameplay of a Skilled and Brained cheater and you will not find enough prove that justifies a ban by clip

Just take a macro and let it adjust your mouse down a bit nothing else and the impact is significant for your tracking of a running person, while it’s not Perfect recoil ofc it still makes the tracking incredibly easier... and we didn’t even start to talk about legit cheaters with private well coded aimassists 

Banning the low percentage of blatant cheaters that don’t give a damn is nice but not the main problem,

And if this hideouts would really care he would’ve banned half the high tier streamers allrdy, but he doesn’t touch them cuz they bring €€€
Some of the biggest names use macro‘s, and it’s so blatantly obvious that something is not right but nobody cares it gets tolerated

I mean honestly there are some that have the movement of gold players with 90% accurate recoil,and when you connect 2 basic things like this together and then you Notice  really weird habits like for example shooting with hemlock on a target, pulling the weapon of target to shoot one more burst into the wall is pretty obvious that someone did just hold down the mousebutton instead of clicking 😉 a pro will simply not panic and accidentally shoot one more time while he allrdy pulled the gun away. It’s logical thinking Your brain gave the order to stop shooting pull the hand to the side so why would the finger click one more time ? 3 reasons could be the cause first reason is a disfunction  Of head/hand coordination, Second reason can be panic of unexpierienced players and I guess a “pro“ wouldn’t panic like that eh? Third is a cute little macro that rapidly clicks when you hold down mousebutton for some juicy singlefire/burstfire rates

and in case of a high tier player the First two options are extremely unlikely 

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@E9ine_AC wrote:

Anyone caught using Strike packs / Xim / Cronus will have action taken against them. It is easy to see who uses them. All it takes is 1 video of you using it and Hideouts is going to come down full force ban hammer for using 3rd party applications to gain a unfair advantage over others. 

These are not my words. These are the words of Hideouts. 

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This is entirely untrue.
I can show you a video right now(but my post will be delete), where the guy is using Strike Pad and Cronus(zen/max whatever etc ...). and his gameplay looks 500% legit, and you won`t even notice he is cheating, unless you watch his videos. And the guy have tube channel.

Hideouts and EA are doing exactly nothing. Tufy is doing lets say things on them big time.

The guy have youtube channel is playing 24/7 using hard cheats, and pretty much laugh at Devs big time.

There was a thread recently about cheats, and the mod proudly say they banned like 100k in a month or so, but the guy quickly disappear when i ask the question, what is the point of banning 100-200-500, 1 million people, when they are on a new acc straight away ?

You are doing nothing.

As far as SP and Cronus stuffs, they are not only reducing recoil, but they are also adding strong aim assist. Its 100% depends on the settings. They are undetectable, and tons of people are using them. Just like tons of people are using Apex Xim.

Check this thread, admin/moderator/CM answer, check my posts, which pretty much sums it all, and check if i get respond from the mods.

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Will-people-who-cheat-really-face-penalties-I-haven-t-seen-it/m-p/10223043#M76945

And let me tell you, that is not just Apex, but atm. scene is floated with all kind of device and cheats.

And you got a zero chance detecting and banning people for macros, Cronus and SP.

There is a well-known site, that is paid for macros(Apex included), and they are running from 2019, and up to now, they have thousands of customers, and not a single guy banned.

I think that sum it up.

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@matzesingt wrote:

@E9ine_ACSry man but anyone with more than 5 braincells can setup a macro etc that looks somewhat realistic, you can take 7000 hours of gameplay of a Skilled and Brained cheater and you will not find enough prove that justifies a ban by clip

Just take a macro and let it adjust your mouse down a bit nothing else and the impact is significant for your tracking of a running person, while it’s not Perfect recoil ofc it still makes the tracking incredibly easier... and we didn’t even start to talk about legit cheaters with private well coded aimassists 

Banning the low percentage of blatant cheaters that don’t give a damn is nice but not the main problem,

And if this hideouts would really care he would’ve banned half the high tier streamers allrdy, but he doesn’t touch them cuz they bring €€€
Some of the biggest names use macro‘s, and it’s so blatantly obvious that something is not right but nobody cares it gets tolerated

I mean honestly there are some that have the movement of gold players with 90% accurate recoil,and when you connect 2 basic things like this together and then you Notice  really weird habits like for example shooting with hemlock on a target, pulling the weapon of target to shoot one more burst into the wall is pretty obvious that someone did just hold down the mousebutton instead of clicking 😉 a pro will simply not panic and accidentally shoot one more time while he allrdy pulled the gun away. It’s logical thinking Your brain gave the order to stop shooting pull the hand to the side so why would the finger click one more time ? 3 reasons could be the cause first reason is a disfunction  Of head/hand coordination, Second reason can be panic of unexpierienced players and I guess a “pro“ wouldn’t panic like that eh? Third is a cute little macro that rapidly clicks when you hold down mousebutton for some juicy singlefire/burstfire rates

and in case of a high tier player the First two options are extremely unlikely 

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Of course there is top names that are lets said probably cheating(to not violate some rules), but the guys are smart and knows how to use soft cheats, that helps them just a bit, but actually give them big edge over the rest.

Do you really think that Apex Pro scene somehow is clean, while Warzone is full of cheaters?

Just look at this guy, that pretty much is destroying the whole streamer scene:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BadBoyBeaman/videos

While he is not 100% accurate, and lets be real, no one can be, and cheats are easy to hide, hard to find, he is more than 90% accurate of his accusation. And all of his clips are towards our streamer cheating.

You can check the videos about one of the streamers that was banned, and he start talking about Whitelisting people, that are famous(streamers/pro), and that they are pretty much untouchable. More and more i go deep into it i believe it.

And i know thousands that are not. And are playing for literally 2 years. Not only here, but on Warzone and CS:GO, Ring of Elysium, PUBG and Escape from Tarkov.

If you are using specific mouse ones, for example Logitech with G-Hub macro, no way in hell you are getting banned.

It took me some time, but i get it, that today FPS multiplayer games, are a cheaters scene show, and what I and many have been doing, aka spend insane amount of time in Aim Trainers, and InGame practice for recoil control, movement, strafe patterns and other is just a waste of time.

Main reason i quit my competitive goals, and spending so much time grinding. Just not worth it.
And main reason that kills the joy to me is this. I just can`t accept that so many peoples are getting a pass.

And again banning people on a free to game game, where you pretty much creating new acc for 1 minute time, its pretty much pretending to do something, but you actually don`t do a thing.

My whole level of frustration is gone since i quite FPS games for good. Just coming somewhere where the new season come and watching streams from time to time. Still spending around 1.5 hour a day on Kovaak, and Quake Champions to keep my skill in check.

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@hayhor wrote:
@LordloshBangSo knowing all that why play? And what are we supposed to do?

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I`m not atm. Not Apex, while i still love the game and can say it has the best balance in terms of TTK, aiming and movement.
As i said in my previous post i just came for a few days when the new seasons kick somewhere in it, and thats it.

And i still daily watch some legit streamers like ShivFPS, a guy with 111k kills, on who you can clearly see the recoil kicks and you know he is 100% legit.

And still the moment he step in Ranked, he is getting deleted so much by cheaters.

And we are talking just about the blatants one. You know they are cheating for sure.

But the thousands that are hiding it well, or using soft ones?

To be fair i miss Apex in some days, but i have so much more fun, just grinding on Kovaak and Quake champions for an hour-hour and a half a day, and doing other stuffs, and playing on MMORPG. 100% fun, no cheaters, no frustration, cause of teammates, cheaters, ridiculous legends abilities and so.

Also not so addicted to gaming anymore. :D I always have weakness for FPS, but i just can`t stand the hypocrisy around.

At one point you got to say enough is enough, and i really can`t stand the cheating anymore. The market atm is floated with all the controller devices, they are promoting them on any corner, as well as mouse macro. The company promote them with their software programs. Its literally in there, and we expect someone to get banned for, where the big big companies are promoting them, ain`t happening.

And some people are like its not making a thing, ah its my config, its my special thing, and all that nonsense, that i just can`t stand anymore.

Just look at the other thread. The community manager just going to hiding the moment i put my post and ask the

uncomfortable questions.

I still ask what is the point of banning 100k. people when they are back withing a minutes on a new acc?