Re: Aim Assist Nerf

Did you not read the patch notes? 

• Console crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 18%
• Console performance mode crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 22%
• Controller on PC: Aim Assist strength reduced 25%

Dev Note: We value our accessibility as a cross-platform game, but it's equally important for us to monitor that ecosystem. Experiential stories from all types of players tracks with the data we're seeing when it comes to encounter win rate between different peripherals. Apex Legends is a competitive shooter, and simply put, aim assist is too strong. Aim assist will never be removed as it's a critical accessibility feature. Console lobbies remain unaffected; this only impacts players on controllers in PC lobbies (our most competitive ecosystem). This change doesn't solve the intricacies of all aim assist hot topics, but it should help level the playing ground.

@AymCTLIt was lowered because the data shows MnK players are losing more fights to controller players in Pc Lobbies.This is data they have looked  at across all players not just Pros.
It's not anything anyone with half a brain cell did not know already...

Just give us input based lobbies. The MnK losers can * off for their little victories over the noobs with this matchmaking and we can get our AA back. Im off to Console i dont have the time to learn it again im too old for this *. So GG mnk you won im curious when will you cry again the AA is being too strong when the new 10 year olds learn it to use it against you, So GG.

@AymCTLIt can be skewed, but I don’t think it was at all in this case. There’s other shooters that came to the same conclusion, strong aim assist is going to be more consistent. Who woulda guessed that?! Different games, using large player pools, and pulling stats from different skill levels, I’m not sure how anyone can claim that’s being skewed.

You seem like a cool person, so I genuinely feel bad if this change is hampering your experience. As a mouse user, it was infuriating to be constantly one-clipped by controller players. I have decades of experience playing shooters at this point, with pretty decent aim, but mouse players have way more variables to worry about.

Using a mouse to aim is 100% manually done, which uses more brain power, which then takes away brain function for other tasks. I have to find players hit boxes, while aim assist only looks for hit boxes not character models. Stuttering is going to change my sensitivity. I have to track enemies manually, rotational assist has no delay switching directions. Visual clutter is devastating to mouse users.

I have spent thousands of hours practicing, did research to get the best low latency equipment, to then just get beat by someone on console because of aim assist. Not that long ago, the aim assist in modern games would have been considered “soft” aim bots. It’s gotten out of hand.

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@AymCTL wrote:
@RaginSamThanks, I have been practicing on MnK whenever I play the PC version (I play on both switch and pc right now), but I still don't feel confident enough yet to go into full matches, but I've been practicing on bots and full combat mode on the range. I think finding the right key binds has been my struggle, the shooting feels more like the motion controls on switch so I like that, but movement and using items and skills has been a challenge.

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I still remember switching from using a controller to a mouse, it felt weird for a few months. You just kinda have to put hours in to get past that. Make a new account, so you don't care about stats, or to take stress off of learning.

I use primarily 16 keys on my keyboard, besides Ctrl and space, and that's what I would recommend for most people to use. So keys 1-4 down through zxcv, that block of 16 keys, if that makes sense? Everything should be easy to reach. I can give you my keybinds if you'd like, or if you want any help feel free to message me.

Don't be afraid to use your mouse as much as possible as well. My scroll wheel down is to switch weapons, mouse forward is to select grenades, and back button is for melee. I also use my thumb for the 'v' key, and also for 'm' for the map, but I wouldn't suggest to someone newer to use their thumb for the 'm' key, a bit of a stretch. You can also use the middle mouse button, but I always end up hitting mouse wheel up or down, so I never use it. Some people don't seem to have that problem.

Another thing to consider, is reducing the inputs needed. With heals, I have it on the select wheel instead of individual binds, that cleans up quite a bit. Same for grenades like I mentioned before.

Something I do, and not sure if others really do this, is double up binds for crouch. Ctrl is for toggle, and 'c' is for hold, I treat 'c' as my slide button, and ctrl as my crouch.

Also, what's your mouse sensitivity at and what mouse pad do you use? I use 800 dpi with 1.4 in game, and with ads set to 0.9. That makes everything feel 1:1 for me, meaning moving the mouse regardless of what optics I'm using, moves the crosshair the same amount of pixels on screen. Then for a mouse pad, if your hands get at all sweaty, I highly recommend using a cordura type mouse pad. Aqua Control plus is by far my favorite, but the Cooler Master one is pretty good as well. The cordura fabric in my experience gives me the most consistent glide, and wears the best. I don't get that dreaded dead spot like with regular fabric pads. I also use a little fan on a very low setting, just for a little bit of airflow. Maybe too much info lol.

Not sure if that's helpful at all, but feel free to ask me any questions. I'm a complete nerd about all this.

@AymCTLI only use 800 dpi because that's what I used when there was a thing as native mouse sensor dpi. You really don't have to worry so much about that anymore for the most part. Anything 800 or above is good to use, and that's only because of something called pixel skipping. You would only have to maybe worry about that if you used a very low dpi, like 400, but no reason to do that these days. So set your mouse to 1000, if that is it's native dpi, and then in game you'd set it to 1.1 to get a similar overall sensitivity that I'm using. You're just combining the two into an overall sensitivity.

I can tap-strafe, I have 'w' bound to my mouse wheel up. So I just scroll up when jumping to do that. You can do mouse down, whatever is more comfortable to you. That's probably the easiest and most common way to do it on MnK.

I'm personally not a huge fan of aiming programs and spending hours practicing like that, nothing wrong with it, I just find it very boring. I will go into the firing range for a little bit now and then, and try to get dialed in if I'm feeling off. Using an aim program CAN help you improve quicker, and it can help you improve your aim no matter what skill level you are, but you have to keep up with it to a degree I believe. There's a lot more variables to FPS games then just aiming though, and positioning is king. It also depends on how serious you want to be in a game like Apex. I'm only semi-serious about shooters these days, so I'm just playing for the mechanical enjoyment I get out of it. When I first switched years ago, I did spend some time practicing aim training in Counter Strike, which is kinda what the aim trainers are like these days.

It doesn't hurt to look up pro settings to see what they're using to get in the ballpark of a good sensitivity. For 800 dpi, you should use between 1.0 to 2.0 in game sensitivity, most Pros land in the middle somewhere.

The stats werent just from top players, it was also replicated from 10.000 players on the custom R5 client, the whole of the leaderboards on PC and the DEVS own data, which most likely tracks across all ranks and encounters, showcase that it was too strong. 0.1 nerf is in all likelyhood not even going to be enough to change anything and for it to be fair they should completely remove it on pc for the competetive integrity of the game.